Lindsay Buziak Murder

JUSTICE FOR LINDSAY BUZIAK

Lindsay Buziak Murder

on November 11, 2011

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This site has been created for the sole purpose of sharing information to help SOLVE THE HEINOUS MURDER of LINDSAY BUZIAK of Victoria B.C. Canada.  Lindsay Buziak was a beautiful hardworking 24 year old woman who was viciously murdered in the Victoria suburb of Saanich at 1702 De Sousa Place on February 2, 2008.  She was stabbed to death at 5:38 – 5:41 p.m. while performing her duty as a ReMax Camosun Realtor showing a vacant home For Sale to a couple.  Her killers and planners are still free.  Her murder remains unsolved by Saanich Police lead by Constable Chris Horsley.  If you have any information which could lead to the arrest of the people involved in Lindsay’s murder please contact CRIME STOPPERS or Lindsay’s father Jeff Buziak: jeffbuziak@hotmail.com  There is a reward being offered.

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7,214 responses to “Lindsay Buziak Murder

  1. Lana says:

    One thing that has been stuck on my mind lately is the fact that Jason’s story changed from seeing the murder couple through the glass (on Dateline) to detective H confirming that Jason actually saw the faces of the two people when they walked out the front door. Police have been so tight lipped about everything else and explicitly said it’s not their job to clarify rumours about what’s true or not ( Casefile: case 28) so why exactly would they clarify this?? (Btw If you haven’t listened to this podcast episode I suggest you do. There are also two follow up mini episodes). I know everyone goes straight to “oh, Jason lied so he must be guilty” but jason’s story changed after detective H came forward and said that Jason saw the faces of the two individuals. In my opinion, one reason Jason would lie is because the killers are still out there. Seeing their faces could potentially put him straight into harms way. On the other hand, these specific details are obviously critical for when this case goes to trial (an eye witness would be more credible if they saw the actual faces of the murderers as opposed to only seeing their figures through stained glass). I’m wondering if at first police suggested that Jason and C.O keep those details secret for their own safety. But then after so many years passing decided to release that key piece of information maybe to spook the conspirators ??? Let me know what you guys think and if any details in my understanding are off.

  2. #7329 says:

    In 2008, the Calgary Herald published details on Erickson’s bail hearing.

    “Erickson Lopez Del Alcazar’s own “courier” was the source of the information which led the Calgary Police to Mr. Del Alcazar”.

    Weeks before Erickson was nabbed by CP, the “courier” was busted in the vicinity of the stash house on Hawthorne. CP put pressure on the “courier” to extract information from him. He gave up Erickson and the address of the stash house.

    The guy who gave up Erickson was an Asian male. It’s not difficult to figure out who he is.

    Erickson was keenly aware Lindsay Buziak was not the person who gave him up to the CP. Did Erickson share the information with the CEO of the operation? No, he did not. Are there reasons for that? Yes, there are. The guy who gave up Erickson worked for Erickson. The CEO of the drug operation would have held Erickson accountable for the huge loss of revenue.

    The entire operation was dismantled because of one “courier” who worked for Erickson Del Alcazar.

    Erickson Del Alcazar had to do some quick thinking to save his own hide!

    • PandaBear says:

      Did that stash come via Victoria? Probably.

    • Robin says:

      I’m not able to figure out who the Asian make is can you drop me another crumb. I decided awhile back that Shirley Zailo was the rat. Once again she had motive and means as she did in murdering Lindsay. What a despicable group of subhumans they all are. I wish Lindsay left that gross island town and never looked back. It hurts my heart how her story ended at the hands of creepy, non contributors to the well being of society.

    • Robin says:

      Prick that he is. Good for nothing. Thugs from the gym. Big, Big boys…..NOT. They must order their steroids in bulk.

  3. Lana says:

    Also, I recently read this article from Capital Daily. I got to the bottom of the article and gained an overwhelming sense of relief when I read that the owner of the both phones was known to police… only to find out that they’ve probably known who the owner was for years now ??? Wtf if you know the owner of the phones you know the whole scheme. I hope you can get some justice for your daughter soon Jeff.

    https://www.capitaldaily.ca/news/lindsay-buziak-investigation-2008-documents

    • Rosanne says:

      You bring up a really good point. I have been trying to think about this for a couple of days. Maybe someone on here has more information or knows stuff I just don’t. The SAANICH POLICE, just doesn’t add up to me. What could be the reasons they are acting this way? 1. Corruption at the top. Ok, but I know some of them on lower levels that are really good people and they cringe when I have brought this subject up. If they were able to do something I really feel that they would. Let’s face it, with the recent RCMP news and all the trouble police have experienced this past few years, cleaning up from the inside is no longer dropping yourself on a sword. 2. The murders are already in jail. They are waiting for a jailhouse snitch to come up with a confession. Like, those hold up in court! It is hard for me to wrap my head around anyone wanting to be a police officer to just look the other way and leave a known murderer lose to harm others. In 13 years how many innocent people did they put into danger by not knowing they were standing next to or starting a relationship with a murderer? 3, The foxes have taken over the hen house and organized crime runs their show. Anything above a fine to a citizen is ignored. The Daily article said there were names of people involved in drugs in Lindsay’s phone contacts.(You and I probably have ones too, unknown to us) If the police can spot this, why aren’t those “known” drug movers and shakers caught and in jail already? 4. The Police just don’t have a clue what happened or why? If this is the case then anyone with power above them that knows this should be putting their job and livelihood on the line by not transferring this file to an agency that knows a thing or two. Last but certainly not LEAST, why has the way the Saanich Police have treated the VICTIM’S family get a pass? A huge SHAME on them and SHAME on everyone living in Saanich, on the Island, in B.C., in Canada or a human of the world. This should NOT be tolerated EVER!!!!!

      • Svetlana says:

        They should investigate that police officer who was SZ’s boyfriend at one time.

      • Lana says:

        To be honest I think we are getting caught up in all the little details because of how complicated this case is. There are so many twists and turns it’s easy to get lost. We have to think critically and realistically. We are not privy to the most telling information of this case. We think we know a lot because Jeff has dedicated years of his life trying to solve this and shared much of what he knows with us. I truly have a lot of respect for Jeff and his fight to keep his daughter in all of our minds and hearts. We can all share our opinions and theories based on what we think we know but not all of what we know are facts and sadly much of it is biased. Some want to argue that the police are corrupt and this is a huge cover up. For me, the only telling “evidence” that points to this is that we know several parties involved in the drug bust were given plea deals. Unfortunately, plea bargains cannot be reversed unless a judge nullifies the agreement due to a breach by the defendant. Many of us have the idea that the police are waiting for someone to talk but what if they already know the whole story and are waiting for one one these bargains to be overturned ( just an idea). If the RCMP reviewed the file and police work not once but twice we should have a little faith in our legal system. As a side note, I signed the petition to have this cased over turned to new investigators not because I believe Saanich police are corrupt but because Lindsay deserves Justice and a fresh pair of eyes working on this case will not hurt.

        • Rosanne says:

          My first reaction was, no, couldn’t be a plea bargain keeping someone from a murder charge and justice. Then Karla Homolka came to mind. The police kept a plea bargain with her in a serial murder case, after they found video tapes which showed she did not keep up her end of the deal. It could happen but it sucks that police do things like that.

      • Allan says:

        Interesting ideas Rosanne. I’m wondering if police can’t touch the owner of the phones due to one of the previously mentioned plea bargains.

        • micheal says:

          usually a plea bargains is done when perhaps the state feels they may not get a conviction and the defendant thinks they may so they meet in the middle or the defendant is willing to admit guilt and accept a punishment to satisfy the state. I dont see a plea bargain stopping police from pressuring or arresting the owners of the crime phones. I plea Bargain is not immunity from all other crimes. More over drugs and i dont care if its kilos does not trump the murder of an innocent lady.
          If for some reason the state did cut some kind of deal with someone that allowed them to walk on a murder for some information or a plea in a drug case, that would be one of the most disgusting injustices i have ever heard of in my life. The prosecutor who allowed that , the judge who would allow that. What kind of twisted prosecutor would say to themselves, job well done, yup just helped a murder go unsolved but got that guilty plea on a drug case.

          • Robin says:

            Shirley, Shirley, Shirley there is not a judge or prosecutor who would allow this. If it were true and this did happen I would see no point to continue in this life. I could not accept that. I would seek vigilante JUSTICE I would have to. The laws of earth are not according to some fucked up bs asshole. Shirley it isn’t so Robin! Holy Not on Queen Victoria’s grave Robin…⚡️🌪💥pow zap 🏏
            BOOM..🌪🌪Shirley we can count on the Justice system!

    • Svetlana says:

      About what Lindsay saw. Either it’s about swindling or an affair, maybe even both. Could Shirley have been involved in an affair with a married man? And if it got out, it would jeopardize their reputation? Well, maybe not Shirley’s as much…

      • Elaine says:

        Honestly, Shirls is so annoying. No one would consider her a suspect if she didn’t do all these weird ass things to make herself seem suspicious. Like why are you threatening lindsay’s friends at the same time as running your finger across your neck. I get that you want to protect your son and all from rumours and misconceptions but stop doing shit like that. Lindsay’s dad even describes from the minute he met her she acted like a total nut job.

  4. Lana says:

    Hi Jeff. Not sure if this has been spoken about before but it’s quiet odd for the killers to be a male & female team. One of the things that sticks out to me is the call the man made to say that his wife would not be joining the showing. Do you think that might’ve been a point where the plan started to unravel ? In other words maybe the female decided not to go through with what was planned.

    • Svetlana says:

      I think that it was coming from Jason about the man saying only he will be looking at the house. Who else knows about this part and coming directly from Lindsay telling them? Could be true as there was the possibility of her telling someone. Yes, maybe the plan was for the woman to be in the house already – undisguised and ready to kill. But as it turns out, she found a disguise- blonde wig and maybe even a face mask.
      Also to note: Lindsay said to Jason…. “okay I’ll see you in abit I gotta go the Mexicans are here”. The plural form was used so implying that the man didn’t show up alone. But this is Jason’s story of the events.

      • Lana says:

        Yes, I suppose. I think it must count for something that police have made it a point to say they do not believe Jason is involved. Also if it came from higher up (like if Shirls wanted to have Lindsay killed) it would make perfect sense not to tell Jason anything. He would play the perfect dummy and would make the lies even more believable since he would be clueless. Police should give Jason another lie detector test and ask the right questions this time around … he must know more now.

        • Robin says:

          He knows way more, Jason knows way more. He would be so easy to crack a criminology student could handle him. The fact that Lindsay’s vicious murder remains unsolved is a huge stain on the SPD and all the surrounding police departments too. They know there is corruption keeping the murderers out of prison. This is an ugly mark on Saanich, Langford and Victoria. Absolute police corruption. Corrupt Mayors too. Mayor Heinz and Stew Young know, oh you know they know. Their silence concerning one of the most vicious unsolved murders In Canada in their communities is so telling. People from all over the world wonder and we hear NOTHING from them whatsoever at this point? If they cared they’d be speaking up reminding people the communities they represent need answers and they’d beg people to come forward BUT all we get is awkward silence from these greaseballs. This is as twisted as it gets. The day of reckoning is lurking around all the dark corners believe me! It’s just shows how deeply tainted Vancouver Island is. Wake UP people. Remove the rose coloured glasses because you look like fools accepting the status quo in your tainted little towns.

          • see closely says:

            Of course,Robin. You need to keep in mind both sides of law enforcement are supposed to try to solve this case.
            Otherwise, Lindsay’s murder will always stay unsolved and obviously they are all doing a really shitty job.

      • Allan says:

        Lindsay told her dad the man would be coming alone and he found it strange. He said to take someone or don’t go.

      • Robin says:

        There’s sure a lot of “according to JaSin”isn’t there? It would be so easy to rattle his head with all his lies. What kind of idiots does the SPD employ that they can’t even do that. Any detective worth his salt could easily manage this. WTF. Once again we see incompetent police work. On and on it goes with the SPD
        Saanich Police Dummies.

    • see closely says:

      Actually,it is probably and potentially right(about female/man being the killers.)Why not?Because it does collapse the theory of Zailes being the murderers?

      • Rosanne says:

        Not true, Saanich Police said very, very, very early on not them, no way, look elsewhere! Which is very rare in a murder case, actually any unsolved case. You want to know what isn’t too rare? Murder for hire players cooperate and point fingers faster than lightning bolts to cut deals and get lighter sentences. Conspiracy carries the same consequences. In for a penny, in for a pound.

        • Svetlana says:

          Saanich police better arrest the murderers now and not wait till the new year when it becomes public on the person who checked for messages on the burner phone. All hell will break loose.

        • Lana says:

          I like your thought but let’s put the corruption aside for a moment. I guess my original question was why do you think the male part of the duo called to say that his wife would not be there?? What exactly could be the reason for that?

          • Rosanne says:

            To avoid Lindsay being uncomfortable and the surprise making her wait for Jason or take extra precautions. The only reason I can see for that call at all was at that point he didn’t have a ‘wife’ willing to show up with him. It is strange Jason didn’t even question Mexicans was plural.

            • Lana says:

              That’s exactly my thoughts Rosanne… but he must’ve had a wife who was willing to participate in the killing before since she was the one calling Lindsay in the first place. To me, it almost like she was chickening out in the end. But why would a hired hit woman feel the need to back out on the plan?? Unless she is the one who had a relationship with Lindsay and was afraid she would be recognized. We do believe the murder was personal so why would a hit duo feel the need to stab her so many times unless one of them knew her.&&& another great point that always gets me why didn’t Jason clue in when she said the Mexicans PLURAL.

              • see closely says:

                Lana.That is a very real point.Did the “hit woman” have some kind of personal relationship-from the past of their lives that forged the personal enmity between them?Lindsay probably did not know about this enmity and paid for it by her life.

                • Rosanne says:

                  I would think the ‘wife’ may have been playing a role and was finally told someone was going to be murdered. She didn’t want any part of that. Someone worked on her or upped the money or pressure or something else to get her to show up or replaced her at the last minute.

              • Dennis says:

                I think you’re forgetting that there is no “wife” because the women who talked to Lindsay had an unrecognizable accent which was faked by SZ. And it was SZ using Lindsay’s cell to text the soon-2B-EX steroid, drug user boyfriend. The term “Mexicans” (if indeed that’s true) was written by SZ that’s why killer son didn’t react to the remark and no where does anyone claim that Lindsay EVER referred to these clients as “Mexican.” See… lies are hard to keep in order, while the truth NEVER changes.

              • Wyatt says:

                I think you’re forgetting that it was SZ with the fake accent who talked to Lindsay. There was no other “wife” in the killing. As for the term “Mexicans” (plural) Lindsay NEVER referred to these killers as “Mexican” and it is believed that SZ was in possession of Lindsay’s cell at this point and it was in fact SZ sending those texts to JaSIN and he didn’t acknowledge that slip up because like all lies, they’re difficult and impossible to keep in order while the TRUTH never changes.

                • Rosanne says:

                  You are forgetting we have been told bloody footprints from a man and a WOMAN were found at the scene. Of course it could be a lie thrown out by the Saanich Police because they don’t think they look incompetent enough. I would doubt that and because this is about the only real factual bit of conversation that is real evidence it holds some weight. To further your no woman but Shirley, theory, why not throw out the burner phones? If Lindsay, on alert couldn’t or didn’t recognize Shirley in a wig she probably wouldn’t recognize her in a fake voice either. Shirley, if as you suggest, could painstakingly plan and pull off an unsolved murder, why would she take such silly risks? I feel Lindsay would have blown a Shirley cover right away and the police, if they would only just listen to you, would have half the solve by just looking at Shirley’s feet.

          • Svetlana says:

            If they were hired, then could be that the “wife” had shift work or was called to work at that time.

  5. Lana says:

    Hi Jeff. Not sure if this has been spoken about before but it’s quiet odd for the killers to be a male & female team. One of the things that sticks out to me is the call the man made to say that his wife would not be joining the showing. Do you think that might’ve been a point where the plan started to unravel ? In other words maybe the female decided not to go through with what was plan.

  6. Wyatt says:

    Ok, so that sarcastic side of me has reared it’s head again …..
    This just posted on Capital Daily:

    “Man Wanted After Not Returning to Mental Health Facility 20-25594

    Date: November 16, 2020
    File: 20-25594

    The Saanich Police are advising the public to be on the lookout for 34-year-old Sean Hart, who unexpectedly left the Seven Oaks Tertiary Mental Health Facility on November 6, 2020 and did not return.”

    Course they can’t solve a 13 year old murder, what makes one think they can find a mentally challenged patient? Oh that’s right, they’ve asked for the public’s assistance…. because they are incapable of doing the job without us! Much like solving murder. They are incompetent in that department as well because they require that confession in order to solve the slaughter of a young, vibrant, beautiful woman. Cocaine Chris Horsley…. where are you?

    • Robin says:

      He’s making sandwiches for the people out looking for the missing patient. When will Lindsay’s murder be given to a real police force? The absurdity with the Saanich Police is shocking. I wonder sometimes if any of them try answering their shoe! The only thing more lame is that they are still allowed to hold onto Lindsay’s unsolved murder. Management of Canadian cops looks pathetic.

      • Louise says:

        Hahaha… the shoe phone. That’s too funny, but I think Maxwell Smart was brighter than the SPD. I often think of the SPD operating like the 3 stooges or Inspector Gadget. Course these keystone coppers probably are much too young and inexperienced to know who these characters are. Why is the Saanich Police Board inactive? They have been given many, many complaints sent to their Board yet none…. I repeat… NONE are depicted as “received” in their posted minutes under correspondence? Why is that? I think they shred then! Throw them in the garbage when they receive them. They should be posted in the minutes and they are no where to be found (recorded). Is the entire Board advised of these complaints? Is the entire Board willfully blind to the accusations of corruption? Why are these complaints not acknowledged? Oh sorry, they’re too busy patting each other on the back, giving out “awards” for perceived accomplishments. Hey Mayor Haynes and your minion board members…. is anyone “clean” on that board? Does anyone have integrity? Does anyone have no fear of reprisals if they rat you out? Who’s going to do the right thing? Who’s going to call for that outside agency to investigate the complaints about corruption and dirty coppers inside the SPD? Who’s going to expose this terrible injustice? Who’s got the 🥎🥎?

    • see closely says:

      I wonder if Rianne Gracia or Darlene Fritz know where Sean Hart is.

      • Svetlana says:

        Who are the two latter people?

        • see closely says:

          Svetlana.Rianne Gracia is former girl-friend of Lindsay.Darlene Fritz is very carefully avoided(by all,including SPD) person from the past of Lindsay’s extended family.Sean Hart is escaped mental patient that is still wanted to be captured.

  7. Svetlana says:

    Who is this Joe De Sousa? I don’t see anywhere that he’s a land developer, where else did he build homes and with whose money? Just because you have a bit of land that was probably bought really cheap in the 60’s or 70’s means he’s a land developer? Don’t land developers have company names and lots of money to build homes, and not just 2 or 3 of them? Is he maybe partners with someone else?

  8. Dennis says:

    Jeff… do you think you could help us solidify our theory in respect to someone else accessing this lockbox other than Lindsay? There is no one who could explain to us the possibility that this transpired other than you – you have that knowledge. Thank you.

  9. Bass says:

    All due respect sir. I just watched the true crime show about your daughter and i couldn help but notice that the 2 people in the white jumpsuits pictured rolling the gurney out the front door fit the exact description of the “couple” murderers. Tall white male dark hair and blonde female. This is a crazy theory based on my gut feeling alone. I mean zero disrespect to any innocent person it just really stuck out to me. Bass

  10. Patricia FM says:

    Robert stated earlier that the real estate board would have confirmed that the smart key box was accessed by Lindsay at 5:29 for the showing, not to mention, there was a witness that saw Lindsay greeting the couple in the driveway. Why then, is there a dispute as to who accessed the smart key box? Lindsay was there, and unless she had a key to the house she had to use the key box to get the key. Only one person could have had Lindsay’s smart key, and as Lindsay was seen there at the house why question who it was that accessed the lock box?

    • Robin says:

      Hello Patricia
      It did not have to be Lindsay who accessed the lock box and it did not have to be Lindsay in front of the house at 5:30. Lindsay left the restaurant by 4:30 it is only JZ that says she went home to change. Why would anyone believe him? It makes more sense that Lindsay would go straight to the house to make sure it was in order for the showing. That would only give her an extra 1/2 hour or 40 minutes before couple arrived. Joe DeSousa who owned the house was there at the time and I bet for the very reason to lure Lindsay in without accessing the lock box. I’m sure Joe DeSousa had his partner in this vicious murder and that would have been to be at house in time to lure Lindsay into the house with something he wanted to point out to her. He most likely put her right into the hands of the killer then left on his merry way. With this scenario the actual murder could have taken place between 5:15-5:30 which could put the time of death at 5:40 like the coroner’s report states. I’m not being precise here with times I’m just showing the possibility give or take 5-10 minutes.
      If the couple arrive at 5:30 to meet Lindsay it did not have to be Lindsay. It just had to be a good likeness of Lindsay. This could be anyone that supported the Zailo criminal world and owed them. The lock box is easy, the Zailo’s are real estate people, who knows better how to access a lock box at a certain time! If you think of all the idiosyncrasies here that relate to real estate or between boyfriend/girlfriend you will see how this murder could have been pulled together with the sick twisted mind of a old real estate broad like SZ. This was and is her thing. The Zailo’s are not the Brady Bunch let me tell you hence Lindsay wanting to leave the Zailo ties that bind. I hope this helps shed some light on how this may have very well and probably did go down.

      • see closely says:

        Of course.There may had been some other female in Real Estate business than SZ who may had need to kill Lindsay for revenge,right?To put all emphasis on SZ is actually counter-productive to catching and charging the real killer.Let’s broaden our horizon,OK?

        • Robin says:

          Nope, why would I broaden my horizons when I have found figured out the ONE and only person with motive, means and enough hate in her heart to murder Lindsay. Do you happen to notice the majority of the people who know of Lindsay’s murder through watching one show immediately say SZ, bf’s Mom. It’s that obvious and then add what a community who know Broomhilda say about her.
          See closely if you had the 649 ticket with all 6 nbrs would you hand it back and say “can I have a different one please”. Or
          If someone said SZ your plastic surgeon did a fabulous job fixing your face “ you look great, you look 40 again” would she say Dic I mean Doc would ya try again I want to look 70. Wake Up see closely….quit trying to put lipstick on the pig 🐖

        • Maureen says:

          Unlikely that anyone else in the office had a revenge motive. Lindsay was well liked and there were no reported problems between her and other people in the Re/Max office. That post said the informant still works in the office currently. Zailos have not worked in that office for years since they bought her own. Until I see a formal report from the courts or SPD, I am not buying into this BS. The pee-tester, Horsley and people who have set up their own blogs about this homicide have been known to report false or misleading information largely based on opinion, other false information or unsubstantiated Zailo statements.

      • Svetlana says:

        There can be many assumptions about other things but I also think that Lindsay was killed before 5:30. Jason was too calm in my opinion. And bringing along a friend that can possibly catch on to their plan, that is if he was innocent.
        Also too many people know the 5:30 timeframe. They would never take the chance to do it after that time. At some point after the lunch she was watched because the killers wouldn’t want her to spoil their plans. But watched by who? After lunch, where was Shirley Zailo and Ryan Zailo? Did one or both possibly help her to show the house and so went there together earlier or maybe even they killed her somewhere else, hence the missing boards to help them get inside.

        • Robin says:

          Killed her somewhere else????, think about that! Try to imagine yourself planning this vicious murder and the unplanned complications that could arise because humans FK up constantly.
          Lindsay and Jackass left Sauce together so that POS knew exactly where Lindsay was going. He knew she was going to the house and he has purposely tried to lead people to believe Lindsay went home to change. As Jeff has said time after time these instances are there to distract people from the truth. jz failed though because people see through him and his sketchy family. People talk, people know who the Zailo’s are in real time! sz can be the control freak in everyone’s life who depend on her for dirty $$ and dirty dealings but majority of people rely on her for fuck all.
          I digress……no one needed to be with Lindsay when she went to the house, they were actually in there waiting. Jackass had some signal to his family and Joe DeSousa who were already at the house they lured Lindsay to, he let them know somehow she was on her way. Try to think if you were involved and did not want to spend your life in jail then you might be able to tap into them better. Keep it uncomplicated but possible. Maybe the signal was only this…..JZ would only call if something went amiss, plan wasn’t going according to what they had planned. Think about when jz did call his momma Grizz what could that have really meant? Don’t think for a second that Joe DeSousa was there waiting for the Boy Scouts and their apple drive! He was there to further lure Lindsay into the house without accessing the lockbox then leading her to some bs conjured up problem to get her right into the hands of the sick, twisted, out of control ZAILO’s. It’s so obvious IMO that Lindsay’s murder happened very close to this. Don’t complicate it, it had to be kept as simple as possible and this scenario gave ZAILO’s total control.
          The boards were kicked in for escape to neighbours waiting vehicle(Terry Shein). Joe DeSousa says some nonsense reason for the painters, such BS. Don’t they all just have an answer for everything, planned, planned and OVERPLANNED. No The only reason Lindsay’s murder isn’t solved is because SZ was the 🐀 RAT in the Calgary “High Noon” drug bust and she is being protected by the Saanich Police, and the powers that be. All those corrupt fks did not think people would keep caring about the loss of one little girl who was murdered in Saanich. Surprise, SURPRISE
          EL Stupido, Chris Horsley, EL Corrupt-o Scott Green (Current Chief). So many POS in what was once Beautiful B.C. oooooo

          • Wyatt says:

            Killed somewhere else? Who’s packing around a body full of 40+ knife wounds? The blood trail would be a real mess. Watched? Nah, I agree with Robin, there were several “coded” texts exchanged with the killers – using Lindsay’s cell. I believe the final, genuine last text from Lindsay was by request from killer-soon-to-be EX to let him know when she arrived at the house. All in a ruse to appear that he cared but it was a time line for when he needed to depart the CLOSED shop he was at. But… he still screwed that up cause he arrived too early & the killers hadn’t vacated the premises. He screwed up alot if you take all his screw ups and dissect them. Guess that’s what happens when you’re about to take part in setting up your “girlfriend” to be murdered…. the adrenaline is high and those steroids kick in, probably drugs too, so you are gonna Fkup! All those Zailo’s got such bruised egos that they couldn’t accept the rejection and dismissal of a beautiful/perfect lady. Live by the sword, you shall die by the sword. Someone’s gonna get ya! 🏹. Oh… and that works for the dirty pigs of Saanich Stupid Police. You all will be busted one day, shamed beyond tolerance. It’ll eat you up. It’ll drive you crazy. Shamed your family. It’ll give you dementia because your brains have rotted from all your sins. You too, will part of the sword mentality.

          • ConnectTheDots says:

            Well said Robin.

            • Rosanne says:

              Just something to think about and discuss. An opinion where someone can probably spot something I missed. Why was JZ at the body shop for an hour? Timeline says he arrived at 4:29 and left with Cohen at 5:30. What if Jason left his vehicle at sauce and went straight to the house with Lindsay to check it out. Her thinking he will be staying with her and keeping her safe, which she thought was going to happen. Joe DeSousa leaves at 4:30. (timeline) Did Joe exit the house as they drove up (planned) and held the door open? JZ or someone else in the house does their thing, JZ” runs out the broken fence posts to his new ride and changes clothes on his way to the body shop where someone has already parked his car. Anyone check if his clothes were different from lunch? That has been asked about Lindsay and unanswered. How good is the video of JZ arriving at the body shop? Could it be someone dressed like him? That left Sauce parking just after Lindsay and JZ dud. If you are buying 2 outfits the same 1 more isn’t going to be that big of a deal and would sure help to have on hand if you couldn’t show up to meet your friend covered in blood. When JZ finally gets to the house he runs upstairs and starts CPR, which could explain any traces of blood on him. Sorry Mr. Buziak, with 40+chest wounds just wondering how would anyone do cpr? This would only involve 3 people with Mr. DeSousa and Mr. Oatman playing bit parts at either end. Three people are a lot easier to keep quiet than more than that.
              Just wondering?

              • ConnectTheDots says:

                I think he went straight to Cohen’s and Lindsay went straight to the house. An hour was a good amount of time to give the murderers time to lure Lindsay upstairs, commit the murder, take off their hazmat suits to put into a bag, go out to the lock box to make it look like Lindsay had just arrived ( I wonder if that’s how that misdial took place ) and then back in the house and out through the back and through the broken fence for their get away. Jason probably had a hard time stalling Cohen, who was a last minute decision, without looking too obvious so stared up into the camera and then got there a bit early, as the murderers were accessing the lock box, and so the last minute and confusing part of the murderers just being seen through smoky glass and then being seen out of the front door. Cohen probably wasn’t supposed to be there at that time and then they weren’t sure how to best deal with it. I don’t think that Jason committed this murder.

                • Rosanne says:

                  There is another problem because “workers left around 5:00pm”. If you were on a jobsite getting ready to pack up and a car drove in, naturally they would look to see what that was about.

                  • ConnectTheDots says:

                    Good point but around 5 is vague and where did that info come from? Joe DeSousa? That could have been closer to 4:30. The murder happened on Saturday. A lot of crews get off a bit early on Saturdays. Joe could have easily sent them home a bit early under the pretense of him wanting to lock up early. I also wonder how many if any at all of those crew members were interviewed by the police immediately after the murder.

                    • lbmurder says:

                      You wonder about a lot of things to confuse people don’t you? Why?

                    • ConnectTheDots says:

                      I do wonder about a lot of things with regards to the slaughter of Lindsay.

                    • Rosanne says:

                      Look up it is in the timeline just above these comments.

                    • ConnectTheDots says:

                      Joe left the house under construction next door around 4:30 and the workers left that house around 5:00. Then, Joe returned to the murder house after the workers left next door to turn a few lights on but he supposedly wasn’t aware there was a showing. What’s up with that weird behaviour?

                • Svetlana says:

                  Something about that couple’s call about a last minute change in who will be going to the house, and this last minute thing with Cohen IS SUSPICIOUS, yet another clue leading to Jason Zailo being a BIG SUSPECT. If Oatman is innocent then why would he ASSOCIATE with suspicious murderers? I guess the money was too hard to resist,

                  • Rosanne says:

                    Two reasons I can think of and one of them I fell for myself. First Cohen ‘knows’ Jason didn’t do it. He was with him. He saw the real murders through the glass or walking out the door. He saw Jason find the body. That is probably the whole reason he was there. All the moving the car and other nonsense Jason did and/or didn’t do would mean nothing to Cohen. The second one and this is a big one, the police cleared the Zailo family right away. As we have Witnessed, this happens so rarely, that it really meant something. There are instances in Canada, where people wrongly convicted and cleared by DNA and the police won’t completely clear them as suspects. The police have ruined lives by calling people a person of interest and not removing that label of suspicion when the real suspect was caught. I too thought that ,CLEARING this family meant that the police knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that they were not, could not, did not participate in this and had rock solid proof there was no way they could have been involved at all. How I got to this site was a friend had been out the night before socializing with other couples and Jason Zailo and his girlfriend. She said that he had killed Lindsay Buziak. I said “oh no, the police cleared him and his family, they couldn’t have had any part of that!” She said her group were all creeped right out and that I needed to google Lindsay’s name and there was a blog I needed to read.” I totally believed that the police would only ever clear the cleanest of the clean. I don’t believe that anymore. Not real sure what I would believe if I had been there and saw ‘proof’ he couldn’t have done it. There is too much walking, talking and acting like a duck, getting protected by a rat that raises doubts.

                  • ConnectTheDots says:

                    I don’t think that Oatman was particularly close to the Zailos at the time of the murder and I don’t think he had any idea there was going to be a murder that day. After the murder the Zailos pulled him in close to them. Is there anyone who knows if that is the case for sure?

                    • Just a Canadian Citizen says:

                      CTD I agree with you. Oatman has a family and probably out of fear he has gone along with the Z’s.

                    • Robin says:

                      Cohen Oatman

                      General Manager
                      Casino
                      Feb 2020 – Present10 months
                      Zilla Mortgages
                      Mortgage Broker
                      Zilla Mortgages
                      Jun 2015 – Feb 20204 years 9 months
                      Mortgage Alliance
                      Mortgage Broker
                      Mortgage Alliance
                      Jan 2014 – Feb 20206 years 2 months
                      Dominion Lending Centres Inc
                      Mortgage Broker
                      Dominion Lending Centres Inc
                      Jan 2008 – Dec 2013 6 years

                      Cohen Oatman can be BOUGHT- I bet he was told he’d be moved on, well paid, family taken care of BUT you better keep your Fucken mouth shut…………So he did… when u r threatened and have a family you do what the boss tells you. And Cohen Oatman has been moving on up ever since he sold his soul to the devil.

                      Cohen Oatman- Dominion Lending Centres
                      Mortgage lender in Saanich, British Columbia

                      https://jasonzailo.ca/

                    • Svetlana says:

                      Yes he could’ve been scared of Zailos. And police bought his playing dumb like he didn’t know Zailo was up to no good

                  • Justice says:

                    This is my theory: I think a man called Lindsay on Saturday because the woman who was posing as the wife stayed in Vancouver because she was not one of the murderers, just one of the helpers. If another woman called, it would raise serious red flags. They must have had a need to call Lindsay to finalize the meeting plans for the house showing. To explain why the woman did not call, the man said she was ill. The man who called may not have been one of the murderers either. We have not seen evidence that any of this is true anyway.

          • micheal says:

            If the police are corrupt and involved with the drug trade and SZ was an informant that lead to a major drug bust wouldn’t the cops be doing the opposite of protecting her? Wouldn’t they be very upset with her for doing that, or is it perhaps the case SZ ratting was done to take out a rival drug operation that was cutting in on the corrupt police business?

    • ConnectTheDots says:

      If you read through the comments you will see why a lot of us don’t believe Lindsay was alive at the time the lock box was accessed. It did not have to be Lindsay that did that. Any one with real estate knowledge, access to her key and blackberry could have accessed the lock under her name.

    • Dennis says:

      Explained in an earlier post.

    • lbmurder says:

      Wrong and misleading. VREB cannot confirm Lindsay accessed the lockbox only that her card did which could have been used by anyone with her code. Witness saw 3 people not specifically Lindsay. 3 people. Please refrain from making misleading statements as if you are an authority on this topic.

  11. Jeff Buziak says:

    Murder! Murder! Murder!

    Here’s what I know. Saanich police have tried to lead everyone down the rabbit hole that Lindsays murder is somehow attached to drugs. Please don’t believe the pricks. Its their cop out, pun fully intended, to get people thinking negatively and that if you play in that game you get it in the end. Just more Saanich police bullshit so they don’t have to look bad because they are protecting someone, which I will get to, and not solving a murder that a child could solve. They go further by dropping the name “cartel“ which makes it even more sinister and scary with an outcome highly unlikely. Its all a con game by Saanich police to cover up their coverup. They want Lindsays murder to go away. Why?

    Saanich police are hiding something or someone in addition to their incompetence and corrupted play police agency that is becoming so evident now.

    Let me assure you of this, what Lindsay saw that involves drugs and if her murder is attached to drugs is because IT INVOLVES SAANICH POLICE.

    What Lindsay saw that she shouldn’t have seen involved boys in blue gone bad and others close to her, very close. We need to put Capt Cocaine from Saanich police on a polygraph machine.

    Why do you think Capt Cocaine wouldnt go on Dr Phil when I did? Dr Phil uses polygraph doesn’t he and Capt Cocaine couldn’t ever participate in that now could he? Sniff Sniff….it would unravel everything.

    • Svetlana says:

      Did the police even check all of Shirley’s credit card statements to see what dresses she had bought in the past years? Did she go on vacations to the south where she could’ve picked up such a dress but never wore back home?
      Someone knows something and if any of those people did say something to the police, it was definitely not made public. 😦

    • see closely says:

      The fact is that everything being said about SPD is very true.

    • Cole and company says:

      Exactamundo. That’s it. Keep people looking the other direction, feed them BS if you have to. My friend and I often discuss your daughter’s murder Mr. Buziak and our heartfelt compassion goes out to you. This past weekend 6 of us brainstormed about Lindsay’s murder over many cocktails and we came up with some interesting thoughts let me tell you. One person was from Gangford…oops Langford and he thinks Mayor Young will know exactly what happened. He controls EVERYTHING that happens there in Victoria. People fear him and his connections. His so called friends are not really church going people if you know what I mean. The guy said it is a known fact that Mayor Young has cops, politicians and all drug dealers under his thumb. He is feared by all. Not sure about my friend’s friend but he seemed like a good guy and seemed to be a truthful guy. He even said “Ever wonder where the missing people go on Vancouver Island”? Mayor Young will know. I’m really with you on Chris Horsley getting people to concentrate on drugs so people will stop thinking about what happened to her. That’s kindergarten cop 101. Cops have seen it work before so here they go again. We did not buy it, not one of us lastnight, not 1. We agreed with you, all of us.
      Once again Mr. Buziak we do think about you and your daughter and offer all our sympathy. It’s just not right. I will post again next time we discuss Lindsay’s tragic story. May she RIP knowing you are fighting this fight for her.

  12. Anonymous says:

    I’ve got some insider info about PEE COLLECTOR ( GR). To the people who wrote Brenda Lucki I say this. “You were heard”. PEE Collector had his pee pee smacked. He spoke with an authority he did not have and he was told to remove all information pertaining to Lindsay Buziak’s murder immediately. I have not been able to find out the position he held with the RCMP but he didn’t seem to understand the basic rule about not speaking about an ongoing investigation let alone publicly write about it. Bad bad boy, stick to collecting pee or else!

    • Wyatt says:

      Gotta love karma. Thanks for putting a snide grin on my face.

    • Justice says:

      One more small step towards justice. Each small step further exposing the shady Chris Horsley who lacks integrity when it comes to maintaining the integrity of the investigation is a one step closer to solving this case. Chris Horsley has released misleading and downright false information to the public. Now it is confirmed he leaked confidential information to a pee-collector who he knew was aware had a blog and would write about it. He refused to release this information to the Buziak family.

      This situation is a glaring example of the lack of integrity Chris Horsley has used to handled this homicide investigation since day one. The law authorities continue to ignore the public outrage over this lack of integrity. This is not a game and this lack of integrity must be taken seriously. We have been focused on how poorly Chris Horsley has been handling the investigation for many years. We have been auditing statements made by the SPD and Chris Horsley himself and have found many instances of contradictory, misleading and downright false information.

      Now we have proof from court documents that Chris Horsley mislead the Buziak family and the public multiple times for almost 13 years. Chris Horsley should be fired for leaking confidential information to a blogger, misleading and lying to the media and not following through on important evidence that would have resolved this case 12 years ago. He accused this site for mudding the waters by making false accusations that would result in making it difficult to bring the murderers to justice. In reality, Chris Horsley has been the one misleading and we have been the ones on point.

      • Rosanne says:

        This is a great response and I would really like to see you write a letter addressed to Brenda Lucki pleading to her to have the RCMP really look at this case. If the 5,000 who signed the petition sent her this request, she would not be able to ignore it. Saanich has also said the RCMP has looked at this case and is using that for credible evidence that they are doing their job. A plea to Brenda Lucki to make sure that statement is the absolute truth couldn’t hurt. I would try and help you in any way I can but you did such an incredible job on the above post, I might hold you back. Lol

        • Wyatt says:

          Justice has been on this blog a long, long time & I’m pretty confident to state that this person has likely written many letters to varying people in regards to what you’d “like to see.” And think it’s rather insulting to suggest, to Justice, what you’d like to see. I would “like to see you” make the effort to do what you wish others to do. There is power in numbers and adding yours to the cause would be commendable and part of the 5000 who signed the petition. As for pleading with anyone to do their job is best accomplished by demanding of those whom we pay to the job. Brenda Lucki has zero power/authority to extract this file from SPD, only the courts have that authority and there are strict conditions to be met before a ruling like that is given. We really are a jurisdictional police force, not much different from the States, lots of egos play a role in solving (or not) crimes.
          I encourage you to put pen to paper (or computer – whatever works for you) and make that valiant effort to help make this entire process just.

          • lbmurder says:

            The Minister of Public Safety in BC has the authority to step in and remove the file from Saanich police but the latest coward holding that position, Mike Farnworth doesn’t have balls to do that.

          • Rosanne says:

            Easy google
            Brenda Lucki
            Commissioner Royal Canadian Mounted Police
            RCMP National Headquarters
            73 Leikin Drive
            Ottawa ON K1A 0R2
            Email Brenda.Lucki@rcmp-grc.gc.ca

            Adress: Commissioner Lucki,

            • see closely says:

              Brenda Lucki is too busy running an “Overton Window”for Justin Trudeau to be much interested about Lindsay’s murder.

              • lbmurder says:

                Such negativity. We look for support here not negativity.

                • Rosanne says:

                  Thank you Ib. I am noticing some posters on here act more like trolls to slow this discussion down as well.She shut down an author of a blog. Brenda Lucki has already heard of this case and took action. Saanich Police are covering their butts behind RCMP reviews. It wouldn’t hurt to make her aware of this. The next review of Lindsay’s case might come out quite different. If she has time for a blog, she has time to check out a murder.

                • see closely says:

                  No.We are looking for possible help to find the killers of Lindsay.That is the number one cause of this site.

              • Robin says:

                At a certain point Brenda Lucki sends out her hounds to clean up any messes that need to be cleaned up. At that level you have staff, DUH

          • Rosanne says:

            Wyatt, never mistake kindness for weakness. Quit being so ignorant. You are taking time away from Lindsay. That petition took off after I shared it on “WHAT THE HELL JUST HAPPENED” a site with over 27, 000 members. Go look it up. If you don’t like what I do or say, just pass because you waste my time. You are as bad as the Saanich Police, you know it all but haven’t solved this case. I also don’t remember seeing anywhere that you were to be my mentor. Enough said.

          • Justice says:

            It is a great idea and I found her address immediately on Google. I sent a letter and hope she takes the time to read it. Anyone else who wants to help, feel free to send a letter!!

        • Justice says:

          Does anyone happen to have Brenda Lucki’s email address or general address?

      • Micheal says:

        I agree, Horsley should be ashamed he tried to use justice for Lindsay as as an excuse to say he wants this blog gone. What a scumbag, to basically try and say ooo no it not my fault the case is having trouble getting justice, yeah its the victims father fault because he keeps a blog to keep attention on his daughters unsolved murder. Yeah Horsley im sure thats it,, yup the blog goes away people stop paying attention to this case and you will have it cracked in no time,,, right please.
        Now Horsley didn’t provide a reason why the blog is hurting the pursuit of justice so ill speculate what B.S he would have spewed if asked what exactly he means by that.
        sure I get the public attention can lead to random people phoning the police with random theories and things of that sort, but any detective worth his salt can easily dismiss that sort of thing without becoming side tracked. More over if Horsley really felt that public attention was hurting the cause of justice then why did he not have an issue with Dateline NBC where the police welcomed tips even set up a tip line for international calls. Sorry Horsley the fact you instead don’t have the attitude that you will wade through 100’s if not 1,000’s of bad leads just to get that one good one that could bring justice speaks loudly. I mean that comment is so bad i wonder if he wishes he could take it back,
        Anyway i just want to say may God watch over the people of that jurisdiction, If internet blogs, freaking internet blogs can cause such a hurdle for your police in solving disgusting crimes it maybe time to move.
        Well i got to go, time to do my job now, got to go build a house, you know what stinks ? it going to take much longer and be harder to do because those darn internet blogs about building houses. Darn blogs talking about things how is a man supposed to do his job , right Horsley?

    • ConnectTheDots says:

      Thank you for telling us that. That must have piqued her interest and has put another outside set of eyes on this case.

  13. Robert says:

    Capital Daily reports that the Saanich Police noticed on Lindsay’s laptop computer that, from January 24, 2008, to February 3, 2008, “there were no [chat] messages from any of Buziak’s 700 friends …” and her Facebook wall posts ceased and this was “very odd” consider her usual patterns of online activity.

    It’s also reported that the Calgary Drug Unit traffic stop in the 300 block of Hawthorne Drive N.W., which ultimately led to the Operation High Noon cocaine seizures, occurred at approximately 9 p.m. [10 p.m. PDT] on Tuesday, January 22, 2008.

    It is curious that Lindsay’s pattern of online behaviour “very oddly” changed just about a day after the Calgary drug busts. Any online chatter about the drug busts would have started after word began to spread, which can take a day or two, likely coinciding with the dramatic change in Lindsay’s online messaging activity.

    The police apparently can’t tell whether messages were deleted or didn’t even exist after January 24, 2008, but either possibility raises several questions requiring answers, especially when considered in the context of the Operation High Noon timeline. If chat messages did exist (and Lindsay’s online activity did not, in fact, very oddly change), why were they deleted and who deleted them?

    • lbmurder says:

      Who had access to her laptop is the bigger question isn’t it?

      • Catherine says:

        Both Lindsay and Jason had access to her laptop unless she had a computer login password and Jason did not know the password.

        Is it possible Lindsay deleted chat messages from her laptop?

        • lbmurder says:

          How do YOU know Jason did not know the password? That is misleading Catherine.

          • Catherine says:

            I don’t know. If there was a password, it could go either way.

            I apologize if my comment came across as misleading. That was not my intent.

        • Svetlana says:

          She deleted the day after she died?? 😦 The person who had possession of it and handed it to police is the biggest suspect.

          • Catherine says:

            svetlana I could be wrong but it doesn’t appear the police were able to determine when the files on her laptop were deleted.

            Saanich Police would closely examine Buziak’s Toshiba laptop, which Zailo voluntarily provided. Looking at Buziak’s digital life, the police noted that there were missing chat messages, though they were unable to determine when those files had been deleted.

            • Lillian says:

              I’m no IT wiz, but it is my understanding that anything ‘deleted’ is indeed not ‘deleted.’ In fact, I am of the belief that unless the hard drive is reformatted (erasing everything and formatting the drive) all that is deleted is retrievable. I do not believe that the coppers were unable to retrieve these deleted items. And there’s also a recorded time record of sign in/off so that is too easy to investigate. These excuses that we are being given are just not believable and the coppers had access to the Lindsay’s password – very suspect.

              • Dmarina says:

                Yes but your hard drive doesn’t save everything you do/say/post/send/visit on Facebook’s platform. LE would likely have to go thru FB to retrieve those deleted posts. And like Apple, FB is also reluctant to retrieve users’ personal data, even in a murder investigation. They’ve got interesting policies and legalities in place for such occurrences.

                • Lillian says:

                  I think Capital Daily has obtained those production orders as per their article…..

                  “Included in the newly released material are dozens of production orders that forced ten companies such as Facebook, Bell Canada, and Rogers to turn information over, as well as a “tracking warrant” and “number recorder warrant” that gave the Saanich Police even more means to gather evidence.”

                • Svetlana says:

                  If the victim’s family wants then it should be allowed. I think everything is saved somewhere in their data storage archive.

            • ConnectTheDots says:

              It is not hard to find out when messages were deleted. You would think a police force could accomplish what your average person could.

        • PandaBear says:

          Did you mean Shirley and Jason had access to her laptop?

        • ConnectTheDots says:

          Anything is possible but that would be highly unlikely given the circumstances.

      • Robert says:

        We know, through Capitall Daily’s reporting, that Jason Zailo had possession of the laptop sometime after Lindsay’s murder, since he provided it to Saanich Police. It is unclear when this occurred. Whether he had meaningful access to it, for example any password necessary to access it, is not in the public record.

        The Vancouver Sun reported that on February 12, 2008, the Saanich Police reported that they had searched Lindsay’s and Jason’s condo, not pursuant to a warrant. I don’t believe it’s in the public record whether the laptop was provided in connection with the search of the condo between February 2, 2018, and February 12, 2008.

        So indeed who had access to Lindsay’s laptop over a publicly unknown period, and/or access to her online accounts, are big outstanding questions.

        • Svetlana says:

          If Saanich police did their job they would be able to see from which Internet service provider the laptop was used after Lindsay’s murder. Don’t you have to be connected in order to delete the messages?

        • ConnectTheDots says:

          Not a big question at all. The Zailos or the police.

      • ConnectTheDots says:

        Yes, it is and that would be the Zailos and the police.

    • ConnectTheDots says:

      Those messages were also deleted ( it is pretty obvious that is what happened ) about two weeks before her murder which makes complete sense in its self without any other influences so saying that the timeline of those messages being deleted must mean that that drug bust was a factor isn’t true.

  14. Louise says:

    As reported by Capital Daily….

    Serious crime rose faster in Greater Victoria last year than almost any other city in the country:

    …… Ok, so my fictitious attitude wants to add to this headline……

    AND THE SAANICH POLICE ARE TOTALLY INCAPABLE OF SOLVING A 12 1/2 YEAR MURDER OF A 24 YEAR OLD REAL ESTATE AGENT. …… they have no clue!

  15. Jeff Buziak, father says:

    Happy Birthday Lins.
    Justice is coming! It looks like we have to first expose the lazy ass cops in Saanich, BC’s broken justice system and the weak politicians who are supposed to be in charge.
    Murder is supposed to be against the law!
    BC is an exception though. You are allowed to murder there with no consequences.
    Police protect criminals in BC and are supported by politicians.

    No Results-No Respect!

    • Rosanne says:

      Heartbreaking, so sorry for your loss.

    • Justice says:

      Happy Birthday Lindsay. We will never give up on bringing the cowards who stole your life, to justice! That is a promise!

    • eight says:

      I note that Garry Rodgers, affectionately known as the “pee collector”, has shut down his blog post titled “Someone Knows Something…”, purportedly the true story of Lindsay’s murder, and removed any mention of Lindsay’s case from his website.

      Shortly before doing so he had posted that he was sick of the file, was wrong in thinking he could solve the case, and expressed the opinion that the Saanich police had no fire left and were disinterested in solving the crime.

      It seems that the Saanich police are losing even their most ardent fans.
      Long past time for a major shakeup there.

      • lbmurder says:

        Good riddance pee collector. He needs to stick with what he knows best which is collecting pee. I hope he grabbed some from the cocaine Constable while cavorting with Saanich police where he got all his “so-called “ twisted info.
        Bye Bye.

      • ConnectTheDots says:

        Interesting. Thank you for that information. I think he has probably come to realize that he has been played by the SPD and now that the Supreme Court is involved this whole thing is going to see the light of day. A very good reason to post that he is disillusioned and exit, stage left.

    • Just a Canadian Citizen says:

      Oh Lindsay, Canadians will get you justice. We will never forget you. To Lindsay’s family you have many supporters that will help get the guilty behind bars.

      • Svetlana says:

        Jason Zailo SCREAMS guilty. His face, when interviewed at the Justice walk, his face on Dateline interview, his face and body gestures in the reenactment at the house to the police a few days after the murder. FAKE FAKE FAKE.

        • Robin says:

          Completely agree with you Svetlana. He’s trying to act and his Mom is on Dateline to put the fear of don’t you dare EFF up! They are full of guilt but trying to pass it off as concern. Psychopath Mom and son in the making.

          • ConnectTheDots says:

            Not only is it fake but where is the emotion? He isn’t traumatized at all. One would never know that the girlfriend who he supposedly loved without any problems in their relationship was just savagely murdered. He and his mom should have been an absolute mess. The whole thing is ridiculous. They were counting 100% that this case would not get any more scrutiny by the public than any other murder case does. They were so wrong on that and now it’s too late to go back and fake the emotion and change all of the other aspects of this case that upon scrutiny screams their guilt. The SPD is going to have a lot of explaining to do to the Supreme Court as to how it is this solveable case has been sitting collecting dust for well over a decade and also to justify why they won’t declare it a cold case and/ or hand it over to another department to solve. Now that an outside set of eyes are on this the threads are going to start unraveling.

            • Robin says:

              You got it right CTD!!!

            • Louise says:

              Great actors weren’t they? Well… not so much, as the rest of us saw right through them. I teared up listening to her EX (Matt) as his statements were genuine and sincere. Ya just know, right?

              • Robin says:

                Yes u certainly do just know. The Zailo’s are certainly not of the Fonda family. JZ looked scared shitless and SZ chose to go without makeup to appear concerned.

                O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive!

              • ConnectTheDots says:

                When you stand back and look at the whole picture it is so obvious.

                • ConnectTheDots says:

                  Yes, I agree that Matt was being sincere and really did care about Lindsay.

                  • Jeff Buziak, father says:

                    I personally was in Los Angeles with Matt and Nikki for the filming of the Dateline show. We each had a full filming day and all three of us were very upset and crying with tissue close by. A lot of tears and various emotions were displayed by all of us. I sat through both Matt and Nikki’s filming days and believe me they were sincere and filming was stopped numerous times to allow them to calm down from extreme anger and sorrow over losing Lindsay to murder. It was extremely emotional for all of us and those emotions came out. Most of the extreme emotional display was cut out to show more nice discussion. It was gut wrenching for all of us!
                    Zailos refused to attend and actually refused to film for Dateline until just before the release of the show when good ole, I’m special, Shirlz relented to filming so release was halted and the queen and her little boy were filmed together and then added to the show.
                    The truth.

                    • ConnectTheDots says:

                      And then they barely managed to squeeze out a tear between the two of them. In fact, while they both pretended to wipe away a tear, one right after the other on cue, I don’t think there actually was one. That shows that they were aware that they should look emotional but weren’t feeling it so tried to fake it. It would have been comical if not for the seriousness and creepiness of the moment. And it was just a moment.

                    • Mark Roush says:

                      On the Dateline show, Matt and Nikki displayed Innocence, Shirley and Jason Displayed Guiltiness. There is Absolutely Nothing to be Believed from the Zailo’s, Desousa, Bergshoeff and Gracia !!!

  16. nia says:

    BC Dream House Murder Timeline – Sgt. Horsely says “the killers” were actually about to walk out the front door and leave. Instead, the couple turned around and closed the door. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU6T5zK90M4

    Does that mean the phony buyers were the killers??? It is well-known that police often make statements that are not exactly true. Sometimes they leak false information to certain individuals who can’t keep secrets. And often there is a strategic reason for what they do. Since the police make statements that are both true and false, how can we formulate a plausible theory when we don’t even know what information they have released currently is actually true???? Maybe Sgt. Horsely referred to the phony buyers as “the killers” when in fact, he knows they are not.

    It is unclear why police make statements to the press that are not exactly straight-forward but they have their reasons. Let’s not put the blame solely on the cops. The weight of responsibility lies on the cowards who played their role in conspiring to murder Lindsay.

  17. Robin says:

    This comment resonated with me today. It made me think of all the people who care enough about Lindsay’s unsolved murder who take time to think and post on this blog.

    All evil needs to succeed is for good men to do nothing.

  18. Svetlana says:

    I can’t wait till the day I see Shirley Zailo, Ryan Zailo, Jason Zailo in prison! Let’s hope soon! And whoever they know that was involved will be there too!

  19. Mark Roush says:

    Just as Lindsay was DECEIVED into BELIEVING that Jason Zailo was to Accompany her and be Her ESCORT to 1702 Desousa pl. It also appears that the Saanich police department was also DECEIVED into BELIEVING Jason Zailo ! It is UNWISE for Anyone to Believe anything that comes out of Jason Zailo’s mouth and his Co-Conspirators Mouth’s also. I have Questions for all Individuals that are Deeply Concerned for Justice. You’re Thought’s Please. 1. What was Jason Zailo and his Co-Conspirators MOTIVE for meeting Lindsay at the sauce restaurant for an UNUSUAL “Late Lunch” at 4:pm ? 2. What was Jason Zailo and his Co-Conspirators MOTIVE to have Jason go to SHC detail Shop that was only 5 minutes away from the sauce restaurant and CLOSES at 2:pm on Saturday’s ? 3. Why did Jason Zailo and his Co-Conspirators choose the 1702 Desousa Pl. Address ?

    • PandaBear says:

      Could be to show “someone” how Lindsay looks. The killer could’ve been dining in that restaurant at that time.

      • Michael says:

        maybe but I dont think so. its not as if the killer was being hired to track her down. she was being served up to the killer. the only people in the home were going to be co conspirators and Lindsay the target.
        Now I suppose it’s possible the killer was some hired hand who had not met the people who would be leading her to the house and they wanted to make sure the killer didn’t accidentally kill one of them instead but that doesn’t seem likely. plus they could have just shown the killer a picture.

        • PandaBear says:

          What was Jason Zailo and his Co-Conspirators MOTIVE for meeting Lindsay at the sauce restaurant for an UNUSUAL “Late Lunch” at 4:pm ?

          Didn’t it say in the police report that Lindsay was at the office at around 3 or 4 pm on that day but the office worker could’ve made a mistake with the time. Could’ve been 3. Then I think after the office they met for lunch and finished at 4:20.

          I think it explains why they went for a late lunch. But Jason probably had other intentions. He probably needed alibis and witnesses.

      • Wyatt says:

        Actually, Michael’s got an excellent rebuttal to this suggest.

    • Rosanne says:

      One of the things that comes to mind about the late lunch would be to insure they had the house all to themselves. They might have wanted to avoid the risk of her happening to be in the area and stopping by for a quick check to see everything was in order.

    • Robin says:

      I can answer #3 for you. Joe De Sousa was friends with SZ’s boyfriend at the time, Paul Bergshoeff. Having this conx gave the Zailo’s and the conspirators complete access to 1702 De Sousa Place prior to Lindsay’s murder. This access would be unrestricted and was likely later at night when no one would ever be around to witness the comings and goings. The murderers and conspirators had this house totally cased. Joe De Sousa was one of the conspirators, I bet he was involved in funding drugs or some illegal real estate transactions that he made lots of money and he too along with others ( the Z group) got very uptight that Lindsay knew too much about their activities. I have wondered also if De Sousa just put this house on the market for this sole purpose. It may seem like a stretch but it could make sense if we knew the date this house was put on the market. Is it a bit odd that De Sousa is living in this house now, he may have always intended to live there regardless it was needed to use as a set up to murder Lindsay. When JZ was eavesdropping on Lindsay’s conversation with her friend about wanting to leave him was this the first time he knew Lindsay had thought about dumping him. I somehow doubt it. I bet the Zailo’s had a conversation about “what if” Lindsay leaves at an earlier time, they maybe just stepped up an already thought out plan. Think about this. It does fit like OJ’s glove really did fit him.

      • Justice says:

        Zailos get mortgages for no credit & cash heavy drug dealers and Joe builds their houses. It is called money laundering, a very big business in BC. It is as simple as that. Horsley is now involved in million$ real estate development just like Jason Zailo. Horsley has intentionally and significantly misled the public and covered for the Zailos for almost 13 years while releasing held-back information to a former law enforcement officer who is now a private citizen and blog “writer”. Obviously there are zero integrity checks at the SPD.

        Now that information is beginning to come out, it is obvious that the SPD blew it and has been misleading the Buziak family and the public to cover their asses while letting the murderers and conspirators get away. If Zailo led the Lopez cartel to believe Lindsay was an informant that led to her brutal murder, he is just as guilty as the people who held the knife. Personally, I do not believe the Lopez cartel had anything to do with the planning and execution of this homicide even if Zailo told them Lindsay was an informant. If the cartel was responsible for it, they would not be hiding it for 13 years. Informants need to be made examples of. I believe the Zailo money laundering cartel was solely responsible.

    • Robin says:

      Question #2-going to SHC—JZ knew the owner, he and Lindsay had a business deal going on with someone there I think I have read. Maybe friends or associates. Also would have known camera would be working so he could confirm the beginning of his albi of meeting CO there. They couldn’t have parked any closer to the camera could they.

  20. Michael says:

    I’m starting to think there was a 3rd person waiting inside. if its true she has no defensive wounds and all wounds are in the front then I think there had to be a 3rd person waiting in the master bathroom.
    I would assume a realtor would lead the couple thru the house I also would assume it easier not kill somone with their back to you.
    so I’m starting to think lindsay was leading them into show master bathroom when the killers sprang at her as she pulled that door open.
    what do others think about this ?

    • Rosanne says:

      This works well. Especially if you turn it around a bit. If the couple is in front of Lindsay to get out they would have to cross the scene and step in blood. They could have been down the block before it was even over.The killer cuts in front of themselves, turns around to leave and doesn’t have to walk over blood. No footprints for them.

      • Wyatt says:

        Wrong! You’re both wrong. There were initially 3 people (not counting Lindsay) in the home. Desousa was leading Lindsay into the killing fields while SZ & RZ were suited in hazmat attire, waiting in stealth mode inside the master closet. As Desousa led Lindsay to the master ensuite, the Zailo’s sprang from the closet and killed Lindsay. THERE WERE NO “MEXICANS! You’ve both taken the bait as the MEXICANS are a red herring.

        • Michael says:

          umm, my comment was that there was a 3rd person, so I dont know what you mean when you say wrong because there was a third person.
          As far as ” mexicans” I have no idea on the ethnicity of the couple or any thing else, but I do beileve there was a couple that was there to bait her into the home, and that couple was not people she knew.
          I beileve Lindsay was showing this couple the master bed room and was leading to show them the master bath, when she opened the door there was a 3rd person in there, the killer who surprised her and started stabbing before she knew what hit her.
          If it is true she has no defensive wounds and was attacked from the front I think that it likely she had to be surprised. I feel the amount of time a realtor showing a house would have their back to the couple it would make more sense if it was just the couple there that it would just be easier for them to attack from the back side.
          but apparently thats not what happened.
          I beileve the plan was to wait till she was upstairs away from view from any first floor windows, probably had shown the couple the first floor and any initial discomfort or fear she had previously about this odd couple perhaps her guard was lowered as things seem to be normal. she then goes to show them the upstairs shows master bedroom and as she opens master bath door the killer springs, in this situation the couple can block her only espace route if she happened to be able to turn and run out room as well.
          I also think back to Lindsay dad once describing advice/ information he was once told when inquiring about how to keep himself safe from threats. I beileve he said he was told ” you will know it” that a person about to kill isn’t calm they have to get themselves worked up or in a zone. if the killer was a member of this couple I think Lindsay would have sensed that. So I have a strong feeling there was a third person in that master bathroom waiting.

          • Wyatt says:

            Close, but no cigar. Try again. Only this time exclude any “Mexicans” from the scene and the 3 people (not including Lindsay) who are in the home are Desousa, RZ and skitzo SZ. Take a trip down the blog and read Dennis’ version of the crime, it’ll fit the evidence.

            • Robin says:

              Yes the couple were just for appearance sake. Inside was already a criminal scene by 5:30. Lindsay left Sauce at 4:24 and went straight to house. It is a JZ lie that Lindsay went home to change. That is why homeowner Joe De Sousa was there around that very time. He lured Lindsay in under some pretence so lock box wasn’t activated til 5:30 and time line could be thrown off.

            • Michael says:

              no one knows for a fact what happen unless you were involved you cant say ” wrong” or ” close but no cigar. It just comes across as arrogant.
              This isnt some contest here. so please stop saying things are wrong when they could possibly be correct.
              I’m an objective person, even if I thought I knew for sure what happened I wouldn’t tell others what they were saying was ” wrong” unless I could prove for a fact it was. Or at least just take the time to type out ” I feel/think that, that is wrong” so it comes across in a more cooperative manner. remember we are all here in the hopes of seeing justice. this isn’t some YouTube comments section to see who can win an argument.
              I just feel its a disservice to this blog to try to shut down reasonable theories. For all we know the killers are commentors here and could just say ” wrong” or try to shut someone down when they feel that person is actually getting to close to the truth.

              • Wyatt says:

                This site is about Lindsay and getting her file to a investigation force that has integrity and gets results. Her file needs to be removed from the corrupted SPD.
                There are years and years of “theories” posted here and yours is one of many that has already been debated and not supported. Our conversations here are not about YOU. Your character analysis of yourself is of no significance and it’s unfortunate that you are sensitive to any debate (or personal criticism as you think) as we try to stir you in the right direction. It is difficult to comprehend that the very police force that is to “protect us” has failed us miserably and failed to provide justice for Lindsay. I would encourage you to access the voluminous postings on this site and the more you read, the more you will see the truth. We can never have too much information as that is how we get to the truth. Do tell us what avenues you have supported in assisting this group in having Lindsay’s file taken from the SPD? Did you sign the petition? Have you written to the politicians? The police force? The investigation entity that police the police? There is lots to do to help Lindsay get some justice. And this being her BD what a great day to put pen/paper (computer) and help us (support us) motivate those who need motivation.

                • Michael says:

                  im i didnt analyze myself and wasn’t being sensitive, I simply requested you stop pretending you know for a fact what happened cause you dont, u and that is a
                  fact. you have a ” theory” just like anyone else. There is nothing that supports your theory anymore than mine. In fact I found the theory from dennis and if your scroll down pointed out a few issues with it that dont add up. But I didn’t say ” wrong” or ” close but no cigar ” cause I’m not arrogant like that.I dont mind debate at, and i dont treat this like some debate. To me its a coopertive conversion . But what I do mind in a debate is people who think their opinions are facts. So please stop acting like you know for a fact what you think happens is what happens.
                  there is zero evidence that says what theory could not have been what happens zero. my theory could be exactly what happened.
                  But its cool ill just go my way you go your way. Us talking isn’t productive

                  • Wyatt says:

                    I ask again…… because this blog is not about you.

                    Do tell us what avenues you have supported in assisting this group in having Lindsay’s file taken from the SPD? Did you sign the petition? Have you written to the politicians? The police force? The investigation entity that police the police? There is lots to do to help Lindsay get some justice. And this being her BD what a great day to put pen/paper (computer) and help us (support us) motivate those who need motivation.

                    Me thinks Roseanne & Michael are the same person! Yup we’re done here.

                    • Rosanne says:

                      I am glad we are done. No, I am an old woman that uses my real name. I am not Michael but I like how he keeps trying to do no harm. I am never going to defame or libel anyone. I try to be kind and helpful. With our interactions I am being as kind as I can but just remember kindness is not weakness. This blog is about Lindsay and getting justice for her and her family. I wish you the best of luck and hope you use your passion to help and do no harm.

                    • Rosanne says:

                      I am glad we are done. No, I am an old woman that uses my real name. I am not Michael but I like how he keeps trying to do no harm. I am never going to defame or libel anyone. I try to be kind and helpful. With our interactions I am being as kind as I can but just remember kindness is not weakness. This blog is about Lindsay and getting justice for her and her family. I wish you the best of luck and hope you use your passion to help and do no harm.

                    • micheal says:

                      I took a little break from the blog and just spotted this from wyatt. No. I am not roseanne im a 38 year old man from Connecticut and the couple are part of the equation in some way.
                      I’m sure its nothing other than an odd feeling.

                    • Rosanne says:

                      A few hard facts as well. Also, I am as far away from you as I can be without getting wet in the Pacific ocean. No offence Wyatt but with detective like yours, you may want to keep an open mind to all options. Keep up the good work as every person has the ability to help and the more bodies the more likely this case will get the attention it needs.

            • Michael says:

              also can you let me know the denis comment you were referring to, maybe the date so I can read it. thanks

            • Michael says:

              and again I dont once say “mexicans”, so I dont know why you keep saying that, and on top of that you put it in quotes, well you can’t be quoting anything I said.
              I still beileve there was a couple that lured her into home.
              I dont understand why you think lindsay showed up 40 to 50 minute’s early for a 530 showing either.
              There is no evidence to support that. You should brush up on occams razor a little your so far out on branch after branch of assumptions it amazing the arrogance it must take to think you know for a fact what happened.
              Also Scrolling through comments its starting to give me an odd feeling how bent you are on getting any and all attention off this couple. The fact is only the killers and Lindsay know exactly what happend and there is zero proof that one can point to which would definitively show this couple didnt come and lure her into the house.
              you ever stop yourself and say what if I’m wrong, what if it turns out in the end identifying this couple was the key to solving this, then you will have too look back at how your arrogance your odd desire to get all attention off this couple actually was harmful.
              See i dont know for sure what happens, and I’m not an arrogant ego manic so I dont go around telling people they are wrong when something they suggest is plausible according to what we know or have been told.

              • Robert says:

                Indeed. I don’t think there’s any debate that the real estate board confirmed that the smart key box was accessed by Lindsay at 5:29pm for the showing.

                • Wyatt says:

                  Let us presume the lockbox time is indeed accurate and truthful…. it DOES NOT depict WHO accessed the box.

                  • Robert says:

                    It’s not my desire to argue here, but what you state is not true. The Victoria Real Estate Board used and continues to use the highly secure Suprabox electronic key box system. This is not like a combination lockbox. Every opening of a Supra box is documented in a central online database. Only secure electronic keys can be used and those keys are issued daily for security purposes to ensure only the licensed user is using them. Exact time and who access the box are securely recorded both on the box and online. Moreover, there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that Lindsay’s access for the box at 5:29pm was inaccurate. The only way this case will be solved is by following the evidence, not making up evidence that doesn’t exist and speculating upon it.

                    • lbmurder says:

                      Not entirely true. Anyone knowing the daily code can use the access key. No one saw Lindsay accessing the lockbox. If you gave me your key and code I could use it.

                    • Wyatt says:

                      I suggest that just because this ‘security code’ was issued to Lindsay (assuming a record is kept of this at the office) and she had initially signed it out earlier, still does not prove that it is SHE who used it. SZ & RZ & JZ are likely all aware of how that procedure works and so I would suggest that while Lindsay was lying deceased upstairs and the killers were using her BB to text JZ and because SZ likely had knowledge of Lindsay code the lockbox was accessed giving the appearance she was alive at this time frame, when in fact she was not. And this scenario is when JZ had arrived before the killers had been able to vacate the premises and they finished their plot by accessing the box, ran back in the house, locked the door behind them, ran upstairs to replace Lindsay’s BB in her jacket (the pocket dial) and made a mad dash out the back through the fence to their waiting ride at the neighbours. And that’s how the box was accessed – NOT BY LINDSAY. So what I suggest is very possible and could be very true.

                    • ConnectTheDots says:

                      It did not have to be Lindsay accessing that box. Who ever did it had her key and her phone but that did not have to be her.

                • ConnectTheDots says:

                  That could have been easily manipulated by someone who had Lindsay’s access key and knew what they were doing. Now who could have done something like that? Hmmm, I know, what about Shirley?

          • ConnectTheDots says:

            “As far as ” mexicans” I have no idea on the ethnicity of the couple or any thing else, but I do beileve there was a couple that was there to bait her into the home, and that couple was not people she knew.”
            What evidence do you have to suggest this had to be true. I’m starting to think that there were 3 people who showed up and staged a show of Lindsay meeting prospective buyers so that it would look like there were more people at the scene than there really was. Somebody other than the Zailos. Do you have anything that proves that Lindsay herself met two people out front of the house?
            Also, I read somewhere, I think on this site, that the first strike was from behind and it severed her spinal cord so that she could not fight back. This would point to some experience with attacking someone or something. The police did say at the very beginning that she was attacked in such a way as to inflict pain and suffering making this a very, very, personal murder. I’m sorry Jeff. I hate to have to say that but I do remember reading that and it makes sense as to there being no defense wounds. If you think this couldn’t be or is probably not true then please take the second part of this post out.

            • Michael says:

              I’m not arrogant so I dont say my theory ” had to be true”, and I dont demand you accept it as true and won’t call you wrong if you dont.
              I simply base the couple being there to bait her in the witness statements that describe what appeared to be a couple meeting a realtor.
              If there was no couple coming to bait her in then why would they call lindasy to say that it would only be 1 person actually coming as has been reported. why make that phone call when she is not going to see this couple at all anyway.
              next I think the idea this meeting was staged is to far fetched. For 1 if the police are already in the bag for SZ and JZ than their and others statements saying she was going to meet a couple and Lindsay’s own notes thats what she was going to do at the time would have been enough to establish the mis direction. second .. For all the killers knew there wouldn’t even be a witness to see the staged meeting in the first place.
              you have to involve 3 more people in the plot just in the hopes a witness sees this meeting, or the 3 people who did the killing had to kill lindsay get away return to scene Hoping that they dont walk into someone who recognizes them in this places where ” everyone knows everyone”.
              I’m just dont think the killers would take that risk in the hopes a witness sees this show to put icing on the existing cake that she is there meeting a couple story.
              it also strains occams razor.

              • Rosanne says:

                I agree Michael. Logic and sense!

              • ConnectTheDots says:

                I simply asked you if you had evidence that proved that Lindsay was definitely one of the three people who supposedly met out front of the house. It is not far fetched at all that the meeting could have been staged. Would have been quite easy to do. The odds of the Zailos being recognized ( especially in disquise in the dark ) in that neighborhood are very slim to non existent and the meeting would have served to collaborate their bogus timeline. At about 5:00 there would have been a lot of people out and about in that area and the odds of someone seeing that meeting would have been good. It would have been important to them that someone outside of their group confirmed that they saw that meeting happen therefore Lindsay must have still been alive at that time. Without that all they had was the lockbox and some probably bogus texts. All easy to manipulate. If the meeting was staged it would explain the lack of a car for the purchasers ( very odd ) and the very Shirley like dress worn by the woman. It was a very distinct style of dress that Shirley is known to wear. Again, odd. The Zailos could have very well been hanging out at the house of someone they know well who lives in that area that is known to have a blonde wig just like the one worn by the woman “prospective buyer”. Not only is this scenario likely, when you put this all together it becomes probable.

                • micheal says:

                  Anything is possible, but no i dont think its probable the meeting was staged. I especially dont think the version where SZ is the killer than comes back soon after to stage this show is likely the case at all.
                  Consider this, you yourself say ” at 5:00 there is alot of people out in that area. what if one or more of those people were to see it all the whole thing? lindsay go in, and than not long after another woman shows up ( the fake lindsay) and a couple soon after that? Now thats a huge risk isnt it? blows there whole plan up now doesnt it. And sure it maybe dark and a disguise maybe on yet it would still be possible they would be recognized, Like i said in this place where everyone knows everyone SZ would be taking one heck of a risking walking down the road and past someone who could say ” hey there SZ where you going and whats with the wig?”
                  , the more one adds to a plot like this the more chances there are something could go wrong and they get caught, I dont think a killer is going to put themselves at the scene of a crime for anymore than is absolutely needed to , to commit the crime.
                  More over how would Lindsay being seen meeting a couple even have to mean SZ was not the killer? Ok she meet the couple how would that do anything to prove SZ was not involved? answer it doesn’t. It doesnt clear her from involvement at all. There for there is not point to staging it.
                  Also { and you may not fall in this camp of people} but i really dont understand the people who beileve at the same time SZ and JZ are doing all these things to throw off the cops and out the other side of their mouths say they dont need to throw off the cops cause cops are actively covering for them. It makes no sense at all.
                  To be honest I dont think SZ or JZ are the killer. Nope i do think what lindays father says is likely the case. I think lindsay saw something that would implicate a police officer or several of them and that is why she was killed, and no the police did not hire SZ to do the job. Now SZ and JZ maybe dirty and know what happend and who did it, maybe even helped set it up, but i dont think dirty cops have better hitman than a middle aged female.

                  • ConnectTheDots says:

                    People are busy with their lives, especially at that time. The likely hood of them standing around and watching carefully to see whole scenes play out is, imo, unlikely. I also think that SZ, especially in a wig, for all of the same reasons as well as that not being her neighborhood and it was dark out, would not be recognized. We will just have to agree to disagree.

                    • micheal says:

                      It may not be likely someone would just stand around sure, but it very possible a neighbor could have been sitting watching tv and through their window saw it all or hanging out at their house and seen the entire thing. This would certainly be a possibility the killers would have to consider when they decided the risk reward of doing this. that and they would have to take the risk of leaving DNA or other evidence to tie them to this for a second time. .
                      I just dont think the risk is worth the reward here.
                      Especially because this couples existence or non existence does nothing , zip, zlitch ,zero nada to to negate or too implicate SZ’s involvement.
                      Now do you think SZ did the murder too, and came back to stage this meeting? or someone else did the murder and she just staged the show?
                      The later i have an extremely hard time seeing, doesn’t seem very plausible to me. I dont see someone doing a rage killing like this then composing themselves so quickly to run out get changed then walk back to the house and do this show.

                    • see closely says:

                      Good point

                    • ConnectTheDots says:

                      I still don’t think that someone sitting around watching tv or doing anything else would have been interested enough in a routine house showing to see the whole scene play out. Plus it was dark out, there were hardly any houses with people living in them on that street at that time ( maybe even none ) so mostly if not all just cars driving by and people walking their dogs and very very unlikely that anyone who knew Shirley would be hanging out there outside ( why would they be? ) to have seen or recognized her in that wig. I don’t think, all things considered, that they would have considered that to be a risk at all. In fact, that house was perfect for this crime because of it’s location on a street with few or no other finished houses. Just cars driving by on a main road on the one side or people out walking on their way somewhere. I think they felt under some time pressure. There was a lot of planning done but you can’t cover absolutely every little thing. There are so many things they didn’t think about like Jason staring up into the camera at Oatman’s. Seemed like a good idea at the time but in hindsight not so much. I could go on and on. We will have to agree to disagree on this point. I think it’s possible that Shirley and Jason did not murder Lindsay although I wouldn’t be surprised if we find out that SZ did. I do think they planned the murder and played significant roles. I don’t think she just happened to be in the neighborhood close enough to walk up to the house after the murder. Ryan was, I believe, also in the neighborhood. I would hope the police checked for the pings of a lot of people’s phones in that neighborhood. I wonder if they did? Who ever murdered Lindsay had a lot of rage towards her in them. I would also like to see those released documents. Anyone know where to see them?

        • Rosanne says:

          The daily article got a lot of their information from unsealing court documents. A lot of what was disclosed is about the police hunting down the couple. A judge on the bench a week would be able to spot lies and con jobs. That is a huge part of their jobs. The Saanich Police, may be crooked but the conspiracy theories are missing common sense. You are now tainting a whole other layer of the system. While you want to dismiss real factual parts of this case because you are convinced you have a feeling who the real killers are you are getting to the point where everyone is corrupt and a huge part of law and order worked on getting Lindsay killed. It is almost to the point, this family had enough connections and clout, they didn’t even need to do it inside. Why would they even need red herrings? Please understand the police know they could have saved themselves a lot of trouble by saying all we have on this murder is an untraceable burner phone. So sorry no evidence, no witnesses, no motive, does anyone out there want to confess?

          • Wyatt says:

            There’s a big difference between conspiracy and corruption. I don’t recall any posts accusing the SPD of “conspiring” to the murder of Lindsay, however they most certainly are corrupt! Not crooked – corrupt!
            Just because the dirty coppers have written statements and they too have capitalized on the “fictions Mexicans” doesn’t mean it’s truthful or accurate. If they’re not corrupt, than they are extremely stupid.
            Don’t quite understand the remark about a “judge” can spot lies and con jobs? Their duty is to rule on law, not spot lies/con jobs and judges don’t do investigations, so no, it’s not a huge part of their job.
            I suggest you have much homework to accomplish because if you look back to all the documented “personal” associations and connections to the criminal world the Saanich police have had than the corruption starts to be clearer.
            I don’t believe the dirty cops of Saanich ever plotted, conspired or orchestrated Lindsay’s murder but they certainly play a huge role in covering it up.

            • Rosanne says:

              A judge’s job has them deciding between opposing views what the truth is. In their summaries they determine what is believed and what is not credible. They only rely on what they hear in testimony and they are pretty good at judging when someone is lying or trying to con them. Their job is to judge the truth and apply the law.

              • Wyatt says:

                Not interested in debating a judges job description. Takes away from the purpose and intent of getting justice for Lindsay. Let us move on please.

          • Wyatt says:

            Here’s some research people for ya! After you’re done reading ALL the material (and there is a ton) you’ll have a better outlook on who are the conspirators vs corrupters.

            Derek Egan, Mike Chadwick, Bob Downie, Scott Green, former and current Saanich police chiefs.
            Former Saanich Mayor Frank Leonard.
            Langford Mayor Stew Young.
            Shirley, Ryan and Jason Zailo.
            Zailo extended family Ziggy Matheson.
            Paul Bergshoeff
            Joe Desousa
            Mike Miller, Abstract Developments.
            Especially millionaire entrepreneur Night club owner Saanich constable Chris Horsley.
            Saanich cop Horsley/Stew Young pal Len Barrie, former jet setting NHL team owner and Bear Mtn developer.

            And when you’re done that, try the BC Rail scandal…. there’s an eye opener for ya.

          • Michael says:

            AMEN! ROSEANNE AMEN

          • Michael says:

            Also Roseanne its clear your point went right over Wyatts head. Some people love to try and outsmart their common sense.
            But that makes perfect sense what you said about there being no need to create red herrings to throw a police force while you have such pull over them they would cover for you anyway.
            I also think he missed your point about judges review evidence when it comes to issuing warrants and things like that, and if police were completely making up the idea they beileved a couple lured lindsay into the house a judge would have likely sensed that.

            • Rosanne says:

              I don’t know if you want to tell Wyatt or if I do, but the truth will always be the truth. Right now there is an unconnected coroner that could walk into a court and testify and prove with science Lindsay’s time of death. The tiny window they have concluded will mean that they are very sure of their facts. The coroner did not leave any vague estimate, they did not just believe the word of a Saanich policeman and go off and have a coffee. I’d be interested in what truth Wyatt has that puts her death up to over an hour before and how clever these killers would have been to corrupt science.

              • micheal says:

                also Roseanne Wyatt doesnt give a reason let alone a plausible reason as to why the killers hung out in the house for 40 mintues after killing lindsay. If she arrived at 450- 5 pm and was killed soon why would they hang out in a crime scene for 41 mins then stuff her phone back in her pocket. makes no sense.
                what also doesnt make sense under his theory would by the lock box acess at 530 which he wyatt claims is SZ and the phone being stuffed in pocket at 541. If anything the phone would be first after the killing then lockbox soon after on way out. But in wyatts theory they kill her soon after 5 pm hang out for 30 mins in a crime scene then activate lock box, hang out for another 11 minutes holding lindsays phone doing nothing it before stuffing it in her pocket. It doesnt add up

        • Michael says:

          I never said anything about “mexicans” sorry dont know what your reading

    • Just a Canadian Citizen says:

      I read somewhere, probably on here that her spinal cord was severed, thus she could not fight back. She was probably paralyzed from the neck down. This whole thing is sickening. Her murder was personal, totally personal. Who would take the time to do what was done to this poor woman if not for personal reasons? Only the killers know how many were in the house that day. Justice For Lindsay.

  21. Michael says:

    I was wondering why the police have no filed conspiracy charges on the phone owner, and thats a good reason maybe why they haven’t

  22. ConnectTheDots says:

    And like you said, there is more, so much more………

    • Svetlana says:

      Did those cell messages get deleted? If yes, can cell phone companies retrieve them? Is this in the police report!

      I have a feeling that the person who they found to be the owner of the phones was not available to get a hold of.

      • Michael says:

        I was wondering why the police have no filed conspiracy charges on the phone owner, and thats a good reason maybe why they haven’t

  23. Svetlana says:

    I wonder how many times Shirley Zailo’s sister asked her if she knows what happened to Lindsay. She must have, knowing how corrupt they were doing those tricks with customers at Camosun.

    • ConnectTheDots says:

      Yes. She must have an opinion on this. She knows Shirley better than anybody and I’ll bet she has asked that question.

  24. Michael says:

    I just recently learned of this horrible case and I am very surprised it is not solved, let alone solved a long time ago. I listened and watched several things on this case and have a few questions.
    1. is it true that Jason first said he only saw silhouettes through the glass door,, than later said he actual saw the man outside the house going in or back in the house? as part of this question did the police perhaps put out wrong information at first by that I mean has Jason said all along he saw a man outside go back in and perhaps the police put out incorrect information when they said Jason saw silhouettes. If the story has changed on this, is it Jason changing his story or our the police saying no, his story is the same and it was them who initially put out the incorrect information.
    2. the burner phone, I believe lindsay father said through his own means he knows who purchased the burner phone used to call lindsay, if it is ok to say who that is id be curious to know. Also as part of this question do the police say they know who purchased the burner phone.
    3. was the second burner phone, the one used to check messages on the first burner phone registered under the same fake name and address.
    thank you to anyone who can answer. and for question 1 please understand what im asking, im asking first if it is true that story about seeing the thru glass to seeing him outside man has changed, if the answer is yes, who story changed, was it Jason or had Jason said all along he saw the man outside and the police somehow put said the wrong thing at first and they changed.

    • lbmurder says:

      I believe it best that Jeff answer this.

      • Jeff Buziak, father says:

        1. Constable Chris Horsley, Jason Zailo and Cohen Oatman all told me in person without any doubt that people were seen through frosted, opaque cut glass inside the entry to the Desousa house. On Crime Watch Daily Constable Horsey changes the story to people were coming out the front door then quickly went back in as Jason’s vehicle turned onto the street in front of the house. I was stunned when I heard that. I called horsey to ask him what the hell was going on with the change of story at which he gave me some bullshit con vague answer like a gangster would. I asked Oatman and he said yeah with a vague explanation. They all lied to the public and me the pricks. BTW, Horsley was involved in the ownership of nightclubs at the time of Lindsay’s murder which he used to frequent for fun and frolic. Reminds me of third world police corruption.
        2. I do not know the owner of the crime phones. According to documents obtained through court by Capital Daily, those documents indicate the police know who owns the crime phones. I suggest you do your research a bit better as that has been stated on here and in the Capital Daily article written by Zander Sherman.
        3. Read the Capital Daily article carefully.

        • ConnectTheDots says:

          Seeing people through frosty glass is a huge leap from people coming out the front door.

        • Michael says:

          Thank you for your response and I of course am sorry for your loss. Also I have to say just from the pictures I’ve seen of Lindsey I do get the sense all the wonderful things you have said about her as a person are not just because you are her father, but because they are true.

    • Svetlana says:

      For question 1: This is a sign of liars who can’t retrace what lies they said from the start. JZ’s mother probably smacked him after seeing this slip.

    • Lillian says:

      At this stage of Lindsay’s UNSOLVED murder, we all know that the Zailo’s (X3) are the killers and are supported and covered-up by the dirty police of the SPD and their associates in the criminal world of Saanich. Having said that, there is no credible statements or comments that are derived from the Zailo’s, the police or their criminal associates that are believable and certainly orchestrated to cover up Lindsay’s murder. This file needs to be removed from the SPD and assigned to a professional police force that is not corrupt and not hesitant to expose the SPD and their corruption. And the outcome would be true blue policing and the killers and associates brought to trial.

  25. Joshua parker says:

    Is there anyway I could pick your brains on this case I’m from England I listen and watch a lot of crime documentaries I would like to see your side and hopefully love to here yours and your daughters story yours sincerely and condolences Joshua Parker

  26. Paula says:

    I just watched ID with Still A Mistery.
    It was a huge mistake from here to get
    involved with drugs.
    I think it was a liquidation to get rid of here.
    Maybe she knew to much.
    Then it Will never be solved.
    Besides it’s almost 13 years ago.

    • Rosanne says:

      Thin disguise. Faking stupid isn’t your best work. If you watched anything, pointing this to her involvement with drugs would be your last conclusion.

      • Lillian says:

        👍

        • Michael says:

          yeah, what is Paula talking about, nothing I have seen suggests she had any involvement with drugs, in fact everything I have seen says she didn’t even want to be involved with others who were involved in drugs.
          But even so, simply being involved with drugs doesn’t mean you are to blame for your own murder. Im also not sure you understand what the word liquidation means. when one liquidates something they get something in return for it. It maybe and usually is less then the vaule of the item. The only way your use of the term liquidation makes sense is if you are suggesting she was on some cartel payroll and decided to kill her rather then stop paying her.

          • see closely says:

            Yes.It is clear that Paula meant “to liquidate”as in “getting rid-off’ to get her out of the way.

            • Michael says:

              I understand that, but im saying its a poor choice of words. especially after implying she was involved in the drug trade.
              for reasons I explained in my comment.

    • Svetlana says:

      It will get solved. The biggest step now is getting the police investigation open to the public and we had a peek at it this very month from the news story published by Capital Daily, and that is why we know that the police know who the owner was of the burner phone. So they knew all these years. The courts will decide in 2021. If the reason behind her killing is because of something she saw.
      What was the conversation really about that Jason overheard Lindsay talking to her girlfriend about? Her girlfriend must know something. Maybe it’s in the police report too.

  27. Anne M says:

    I was wondering if you thought about contacting the VIDOCQ Society? They are a group of retired detectives who work to solve murders, they are experts and they work on cold cases from all over. They do not charge for their service. They are located in Philadelphia,PA. USA. This is a link to their website.

    https://www.vidocq.org/contact

    They have solved some murders that were viewed as unsolvable and they may at least give you their opinion on who they think may be the likely suspects. /. I hope this helps. I am so sorry for your loss. Sincerely, Anne McGill Lodi, WI, USA

    • Lillian says:

      First, this is a Canadian murder, 2nd Americans have no jurisdiction in Canada and 3rd there’s never a chance in hell that this corrupt police department would EVER share or solicit “assistance” from ANY entity, heck they won’t even reach out to our talented experts here! They are much too occupied with hiding their corruption which is deeply embedded in this murder.

      • Michael says:

        first and second you are making only 1 point, and its an irrelevant point too. Yes only the jurisdiction officals in any case can make arrests and bring charges, but anyone any where can try to help solve a crime and pass on information to the officals in a jurisdiction to help them. Do you really think if the people she suggested using hand the police rock solid evidence the police are going to throw it in the trash cause it was not obtained by them?

        • Lillian says:

          I think you missed the point that the dirty cops of Saanich are corrupt! So not only are they failing to solve this murder because they have their own butts to cover, but do you think a CORRUPT police department is going to do anything with credible (solid-as you state) evidence that has been collected from another source? Not! There’s been a ton of “information” passed to these dirty pigs and they have only suppressed or dismissed any viable clues.

      • Michael says:

        no I didn’t miss your point, I understand now your only talking about your 3rd point, and I agree with that point I feel this police force would not be keen on accepting outside help. However if they can come up with indenible evidence and make it public the police will have no choice.
        But I think you may have missed a part of the original commentors point especially the part ” they may at least tell you who they think the likely suspects are” none of your points give a valid reason to dismiss that commentor the way you did.

    • Frank Columbo says:

      Expert help was offered from ex American law enforcement people all retired experts but I don’t know if the help was accepted, only time will tell.

  28. Teresa baldwin says:

    Just watched the dateline about your daughters unsolved murder. I maybe off base but did the police check the guy she was living with , his phone records, his comings and goings upto when the burner phone was purchased. I can’t help but think he and his friend had something to do with this. Maybe the friend was the one in the dress with the blond wig. If she wanted him there for the showing , he should have been there, doesn’t make sense for him to let her go in there alone without him if she made it clear she was uncomfortable doing so. My man would have been there , he should have. I think he’s involved.

  29. Crystal Gibson says:

    I feel certain that the Zaillo family was a suspect at first. but listening to the Dateline show about the murder.. I had a strong feeling about Jason Zaillos mother.. She seemed to want to point her finger at the other ex boyfriend and she seems like a women who has to be in control and wouldn’t want her son to be hurt..

  30. Mark Roush says:

    The “Couple” is a Red Herring !!!

    • Rosanne says:

      Make and female footprints in blood is about the only real solid evidence this case has. Male and female callers on the burner phones is the other.???

    • Wyatt says:

      Agree. The couples’ “existence” is based on police statements and we all know the SPD are corrupt so why would we believe ANYTHING they have written. There was no “couple” and they did not travel by ferry or air because they didn’t exist! The cell phone travels could have been done by any number of suspicious killers, but not by the phantom “couple.”

      • micheal says:

        Yeah but if it was SZ making the calls from the burner phone as you claim to set lindsay up then wouldnt that burner phone already be in the area during those calls. Was SZ not in B.C when those calls were made ? was she in vancouver? If not your theory she was the caller on the burner phone goes up in smoke

  31. sheila says:

    Whoever made the late November 2007 call to the Calgary Police wanted Erickson Delalcazar to go down in flames – and they succeeded. The main informant who made the call to the Calgary Police Department in late November 2007, and informed on the drug shipment heading from Victoria to Calgary was a woman who worked in the Re/Max office at the time of Lindsay’s murder and still works there today.

    Understandably, the identity of the main informant has been well-protected for a number of reasons. But think about this – if the main informant had not made that November 2007 call to the Calgary Police Department – chances are Lindsay Buziak would still be alive. The main informant should seriously consider tightening up their security right about now.

    CONCLUSION:
    The Zailo’s did not conspire to murder Lindsay Buziak and there is no evidence to support that they had any involvement.

    • Robin says:

      Why do you say the Zailo’s did not conspire to murder Lindsay? I’m curious to know what you are basing that theory on Sheila. In my opinion everything points towards the Zailo’s. Awaiting your reply.

    • Rosanne says:

      Missing data from Lindsay’s computer that they had custody of is evidence of some kind of involvement or it would not have happened. Oh heck, my girlfriend has just been brutally murdered, what am I going to do? I know wipe out information on her computer. Not likely.

    • Svetlana says:

      It seems that whatever it was, answer is in those two week messages. Was anything else deleted from before that? Could be, but police maybe didn’t look. Maybe they should restore everything from November. Would they have thought of that?

      They picked the very day that Lindsay was to attend the birthday party. The report said bachelorette party. It think there’s some error there. They were very mad that they didn’t want to see Lindsay enjoying herself and on top of that it was out of town and she would be with her friends. Someone didn’t want to see her happy on that day.

      From the capital daily news report it says “according to a letter allegedly from a friend, Buziak was “stressed about money.” What does that mean?

      I have a feeling that the last minute with Oatman has something to do with the last minute change of one of the couple who will be visiting the house. As it turns out “both” show up and Oatman shows up to be the alibi. Was Jason supposed to have been elsewhere that day?
      I

      • Wyatt says:

        Look at this murder without the existence of the “Mexicans.” By whose evidence do we have that is credible to secure that these “Mexicans” were in fact at the murder house? And no where does Lindsay previously refer to these clients as “the Mexicans”…. ever…. that was made up by SZ using Lindsay’s blackberry while she was being murdered and to make you think she was still alive. Same with the “pocket dial” ….that was SZ trying to jam it back into Lindsay jacket and not realizing she had pocket dialed. The MEXICANS never existed!

    • Wyatt says:

      Sheila, Sheila, Sheila…… you’re so confused. The Zailos are the ones who conspired to commit MURDER! End of story.

    • Maureen says:

      Sheila,
      There is nothing I can find to back up your claim that someone at the Re/Max office was an informant. If Chris Horsley gave you that information, I would weigh it with a grain of salt. If you can provide a link to credible information, it would help your position but until I see something concrete, it sounds like you are someone who wants to put out more misleading unsubstantiated BS.

    • Svetlana says:

      So you’re saying that another realtor at Camosun is involved with this? Maybe a married woman having an affair with Jason or Ryan?

  32. Rosanne Day says:

    There is a piece of this murder that does not make sense to me. This planned to the minute murder had a male call Lindsay and say his wife wouldn’t be at the showing. Lindsay was expecting a lone male. This would have caused more concern and then it was over nothing as 2 showed up. When Lindsay is on the phone to Jason and she says ” I got to go the Mexicans are here.” according to Jason. How come he isn’t concerned enough to ask her about the plural? How come he knows 2 arrived? When he saw the 2 people he wasn’t surprised or concerned? Expecting one person, two show up. How did Jason know more than Lindsay and he was not there for the arrival?

    • ConnectTheDots says:

      That part is weird and it points to someone backing out at the last minute. My thought on this is why are they phoning Lindsay with this last minute change if she isn’t going to be there to greet them? If she wasn’t going to be there to see this change why would it matter that only one person was going to show up? And why did they then have two show up?

    • Svetlana says:

      How did you deduce that the owner of the cell phones was not the killer?
      The info about the couple flying in could be true that that is what the couple said to Lindsay over the phone and she could’ve mentioned it to other people, but in the end it was probably JZ who provided that info to the police. Of course the caller wanted to make it sound they are so rich that ferries aren’t good enough for them and for Lindsay to be fooled. But in reality I doubt the murderers travelled by plane.

      • Robin says:

        Flight manifests would be proof. Every person along with their seat nbr is accounted for or the plane does not go. There is not just 1 person verifying people and names per flight either. After every flight a manifest is printed and taken to a certain spot at the end of the day for safe keeping. It is not unusual for police etc to request this info when it is necessary.

        • Dayman Cormier says:

          It should be far easier in this post 911 world to examine the manifests of flights into Victoria from Vancouver for one afternoon when the passengers are required to provide identification to purchase a ticket and board the aircraft. If Mr. Sherman is right about the couple flying in on the afternoon of the murder, the Saanich police have some serious explaining to do regarding their check of those manifests. Because the people they say murdered Lindsay must be listed there.

    • Wyatt says:

      Again…. these “Mexicans” didn’t exist. You’re stuck on a red herring.

  33. eight says:

    Some important considerations arise from the Lindsay Buziak article published in the Capital Daily on October 03, 2020.

    Mr. Sherman writes, “At some point, according to the documents, the owners of what would come to be known as the main crime phone travelled to the Island via BC Ferries.” Later in the article he writes, “Eventually, the Saanich Police found the real identity of the owner of both phones, though that name — for now — remains blacked out.”

    So the owner of the burner phones is not one of the killers.

    He also writes of the couple posing as the buyers, “The couple would be flying in from Vancouver that afternoon.” The afternoon in question is February 02nd, the date of the murder.

    Those two are ostensibly the killers.

    Now, it would be near impossible to pick out a couple amongst a thousand or more ferry passengers who do not even have to provide identification to board the ferry. But it should be far easier in this post 911 world to examine the manifests of flights into Victoria from Vancouver for one afternoon when the passengers are required to provide identification to purchase a ticket and board the aircraft.

    If Mr. Sherman is right about the couple flying in on the afternoon of the murder, the Saanich police have some serious explaining to do regarding their check of those manifests. Because the people they say murdered Lindsay must be listed there.

    • see closely says:

      In my opinion, there is no proof that the couple mentioned above flew to Victoria in afternoon of February 02.It is equally possible that they were in Victoria one or more days before the murder day.I am quite sure that SPD looked into the lists of all plane passengers within few days prior to the murder.After all, it was the same police that even Lindsay’s father praised for a two years after the murder.

      • Rosanne says:

        I sure hope your comment about Lindsay’s father praising the police isn’t being sarcastic or a failed attempt at humour. You are talking about a victim, a grieving victim. If you consider that most of what was done to solve this case was done very early His opinion was valid at that time. The neglect, abuse and beyond stupid and ignorant bullying came later. The Saanich police, the 4 chiefs since Lindsay was murdered, and the food chain above them are the cause of his opinions changing.

      • Robin says:

        Well CTD
        No one is praising the SPD after 12 yrs of nothingness. Of course they get praise in the beginning while it appears they are trying to solve a vicious murder but that day is long gone. We now know the SPD have been misleading, and CH has even been caught in a lie. We are so lucky as citizens to have Capital Daily helping to expose who the wolves in cheap clothing really are.

      • Robin says:

        What an odd comment “I am quite sure that the SPD looked into the lists of all plane passengers within a few days prior to the murder”.

        Why would you be quite sure about anything the SPD do? Unless u r one of them. I certainly have no faith that the SPD can get anything right otherwise we would have people arrested. It seems to me the SPD were counting on the public to forget all about Lindsay Buziak so her murder could slip away into the dark hell of criminal arrogance. They have been caught with their pants down too many times to not realize they are involved in criminal coverup of some sort. The longer Lindsay’s murder stays in the limbo state it is in now the more we are validated in our opinion. The SPD are lame. There is no reason this murder could not be solved with some proper detective skills. Chief Scott Green just proves the ineptness by avoiding the public’s questions. No balls Scott Green, get a Chief with balls to solve Lindsay’s murder
        Ffs.

      • Svetlana says:

        I responded above to the wrong post, but anyway, I have another statement to make. Since they knew who the owner was of the phone, why didn’t they charge them with conspiracy to murder? This is the big question and we’ll find out in 2021.

    • Rosanne says:

      I wrote this before but don’t know what happened to it. Real working police are able to look at videos from the ferries and solve crimes. The Victoria Police Department scoured those tapes 30 years ago in the very well known case of a missing 4 year old. There is undercover police that ride the ferries that have solved crimes. Not sure if it is every ferry but they did and maybe still do. Just last week, a fatal hit and run in a remote area of the island was solved because RCMP were able to find damage on a truck, on the ferry that would be expected in the accident obtained from ferry video. If in Lindsay’ s case the Saanich police did this, I don’t know, but they sure know it could have been done and they should have done it. There are only 3 way on and off this Island. Ferry, airplane or private boat. Two of those should be easily checked.

    • ConnectTheDots says:

      good point and you have to wonder if those flight lists were followed up on.

    • Maureen says:

      I think the report said that the woman told Lindsay they were going to fly in. The phone is known to have traveled by ferry but we have not been given any evidence that the killers came with the phone on the ferry so we do not know how they got there. For all we know, the killers lived in Victoria.

  34. Maureen says:

    So let us look at a few things now that some of the police records have been released.

    Since 2016, Chris Horsley is on the record twice stating that Jason actually saw the male coming out through the front door. He made these statements with great conviction both times.The police report and DateLine said Jason saw people behind smoked glass. Why has Chris Horsley changed the story and who is telling the truth? He stopped giving interviews since the new information slipped out.

    The ambulance driver said the crime scene was compromised due to first responders trampling through the flower beds, dragging dirt and footprints throughout the house. She was ridiculed by several people for making that statement. It is in the police documentation, that did in fact happen and those trolls owe her a public apology. Oatman called police after they found Lindsay. Why did the police not treat the property as a crime scene immediately in an attempt to protect evidence? One officer should have gone in to the house and after finding Lindsay deceased, wait outside to secure the scene until homicide detectives and crime scene investigators arrived. That is in fact how they processed other homicide scenes. The lack of following standard crime scene protocols answers the question as to why they have not solved this homicide yet.

    The police documents reveal that Lindsay was “freaked out” so Jason agreed to go with her. If someone is freaked out, they do not insist on going alone even if they are strong-willed as Zailo stated. It would be more likely that a strong willed person would insist on protection if freaked out. Remember, the information given to police from Zailo did not reflect actually how freaked-out Lindsay really was. The investigators got the information from her co-workers.

    The reports state Oatman called Zailo from a payphone. Where did he find a payphone in 2008 when they no longer existed?

    Who told DateLine Lindsay said the “Mexicans” are here. Lindsay referred to the clients as Million$, never the Mexicans. Someone who spoke to wanted to bring more attention to Mexicans relating to her murder.

    Zailo said his GPS system was not working so he needed to call Lindsay for the address. He did not say he called for directions, just the address. How could he try to use his GPS without the address? The reports state she could not talk so how did he get the address?

    Zailo said he was going to the house for the sole purpose of giving Lindsay papers to sign. Realtors do not sign contracts. Clients sign contracts. Even if he had some papers, now we know he went because Lindsay was freaked out so more misleading information released in public statements by Chris Horsley.

    Zailo had possession of Lindsay’s computer and handed it over to authorities. That means they did not take it when they executed the search warrant at their condo; Zailo had it somewhere else and had the opportunity to erase data, a possibility stated in the report. A laptop is a realtor’s essential tool and it is portable. It should have been in their condo or in Lindsay’s car. How did Jason come to have it elsewhere? The laptop and phone would be the first thing investigators would want to look at and would have grabbed it when they searched the condo if it was there and it obviously was not in her car. They failed to mention Zailo’s laptop and phone. Did they even bother?

    It doesn’t make sense that Lindsay did not talk to any of her friends online for 10 full days. Did the investigators contact any of her online friends to determine if she really was offline or if there actually were messages that had been deleted from her computer? The Zailos had her computer and files were likely deleted. There are ways to recover deleted information from a hard drive and websites. If that was done, it should be in the reports somewhere that conversations were erased or she was definitely offline. They should still have her computer and can use more modern technology to look at it again.

    The investigators know who had the burn phones all along. What kind of game are they playing here? This is the most sensational fact in the reports so far. How could they not have this homicide all figured out by now with that key piece of evidence.

    Some people are speculating that the informant was a woman who worked in the same office then and now. There has been no evidence provided to back that claim up. It would make sense though that the Zailos were the informants in the Alberta drug bust. Most wonder where the Zailos get their unexplained wealth. We know the Zailos have a long standing relationship with Ziggy Matheson, a convicted drug trafficker, and even owned his grow house. The Zailos tried to deny knowing Matheson until the truth was uncovered. If they were not involved in any wrongdoing, why deny they knew him? It is well know by the locals that the Hell’s Angels are Ziggy’s supplier and the Zailos are the folks who provide a way for higher level cartel members who have no credit, just large amounts of cash, to get car loans and mortgages. What better way to hurt your main competition than by snitching on their trafficking operation?

    • ConnectTheDots says:

      All really good points.

    • Just a Canadian Citizen says:

      Wow, you should be hired. Great points. This whole case is so obvious to us (strictly circumstantial evidence could direct a child to solve it). Obviously this case is so full of corruption at all levels. You do the crime, you must pay for it, each and everyone one of you. Lindsay, her family and B.C. citizens deserve justice no matter how many high ups spend the rest of their lives behind bars.

    • Svetlana says:

      I wonder how many cartel members “bought” houses from Camosun or got financial “help” from Jason’s mortgaging company.

      If there is snitching and if they got the wrong person, wouldn’t they go get the right person? We don’t even know what for and for who, like are there rival cartels or what? I don’t think it’s snitching. It’s knowing something that would give Zailos a rotten reputation!

      In 2008 there were still payphones, it was a bit later that a number were removed – can’t remember the exact year but I guess it was gradual but they do still exist. For example if at one time there were 5 payphones in a row, you’ll see one or two.

      But one thing for sure is that Oatman was asked to go with Jason on the last minute as he would have had his cell phone charged. Now was that after or before the call when the couple said only one of them can make it, but then presumably both show up.

      EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW THAT ZAILO HAD LINDSAY’S COMPUTER, and Lindsay’s messages were deleted. It’s not difficult to put two and two together.

      What is Times Colonist waiting for? They should be working on the update to provide the community of Victoria!

      • Rosanne says:

        You can bet any messages between Shirley and Lindsay about their ” walk” will be in the missing pile. I would have talked to my friends about that, especially if I didn’t want to go. Why would Lindsay want to even bond with Shirley when she was ready to leave?

      • PandaBear says:

        what the fck — is the TC waiting for is right!

      • ConnectTheDots says:

        “EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW THAT ZAILO HAD LINDSAY’S COMPUTER, and Lindsay’s messages were deleted. It’s not difficult to put two and two together.

        What is Times Colonist waiting for? They should be working on the update to provide the community of Victoria!”

        No it is not difficult to put two and two together and that is very, very damning. I think that the SPD are suppressing this FACT because it is so damning and they don’t want the public to see that. I think the police do have pull over the media as is obvious here. Shocking revelations in yet not a peep from the media. Wow.

      • Justice says:

        In 2008, payphones were virtually nonexistent. I know because in 2008, I forgot my cellphone at home, had a flat tire and was not able to find a single payphone anywhere. It would be highly unlikely that Oatman could find a payphone easily and where was his car phone charger? This payphone BS stinks of something else. Did Zailo need to cover for a strange call on his phone and used this excuse to explain? If there was a payphone call, how do you prove it came from Oatman?

        • lbmurder says:

          Oatman used his phone to make the second 911 call

          • Wyatt says:

            Yes, this notation of Oatman using a pay phone by the SPD only solidifies that it is a lie and the SPD can’t seem to validate any statements made by the killers. Not only was this claim suspicions, but pay phones can be traced and apparently none existed at the time anyway. AND Oatman used his cell at the crime scene so just exactly how inoperable was it? AND … the SPD continue to be busted and exposed in their coverup/corrupt conduct.

        • ConnectTheDots says:

          Good point.

    • see closely says:

      Of course,Maureen.If-as you are saying- the local drug cartel is the reason Lindsay was killed then you (as alleged solver of killing)are in danger of killing too.Isn’t it reasonable to accept this premise?

      • Maureen says:

        I said I do not believe the local cartel was involved but lets suppose they were. Why would they want to keep it a secret? If someone wanted to give the competition trouble by snitching, it would be someone from the Hell’s Angels (Ziggy/Jason). That would mean that Jason/Ziggy would be the ones giving false information to the cartel about Lindsay being the informant. Either way, I do not see the cartel going to all that trouble for a hit and then keeping it a secret.

  35. Peter Galloway says:

    It’s obvious that Jason’s mother has been bankrolling him ever since the murder, so one thing for sure is that he will never give her up to the cops. If he is involved even more reason for him to keep his mouth shut. This family will do whatever it takes to keep what they’ve done from their friends and family.

    • ConnectTheDots says:

      Shirley has a sister that had a serious drug addiction..

      • ConnectTheDots says:

        Shirley’s sister had spoken out about the problems with less than stellar practices in the real estate business. She mentioned that her sister and two nephews were doing very very well because of it. Her speaking out like that makes me think that she has some scruples.

        • Svetlana says:

          She probably suspects things but she sounded very sure about the cheating they were doing to customers. Probably the owner of Camosun was in on it.

  36. Just a Canadian Citizen says:

    Going back in memory didn’t Ziggy say that Lindsay didn’t deserve it and didn’t DeSousa guy that owned the house say something like the bitch deserved what she got? If so this DeSousa guy should be the first one the list to be interviewed, along with his wife and his family. This so sickening.

  37. JeffBuziak, father says:

    THIS IS MURDER!

    Everyone please understand this is about murder and NOTHING else! Murder is against the law and has been since a guy named Jesus walked the earth over 2,000 years ago. It is the most heinous and fundamental of human laws that has always been swiftly and severely punished until now!

    Forget about drugs, informants, cartels, Mexicans etc…thats just distracting bullshit and excuses for the incompetence of Saanich police and the lame justice system of British Columbia, Canada. THIS IS MURDER and our country has laws against it and is supposed to enforce those laws swiftly and severely or the community remains in danger.

    Saanich police don’t care. Saanich police have messed this investigation up and have shown they are useless in every way from solving this crime to communicating with the public, dealing with family and doing their job keeping the community safe. Actually, Saanich police are now in court spending Saanich taxpayers’ money protecting the identities of the guilty parties from us knowing who they are walking free amongst you! Pure Insanity!

    Where is the supposed justice system in this country? The killers and conspirators have been free as birds and protected by Saanich play police for over twelve years. This isn’t justice. This is total incompetence, neglect of the safety of the citizens, failure to perform their duty and lawlessness. Lindsay Buziak was savagely murdered. Where the hell is the law of this country and the people who are supposed to enforce it? Certainly not worrying about the murder of a wonderful young woman while at work in Victoria, BC suburb Saanich!!

    Shame, Shame on you Saanich police Chief Scott Green. Shame on you Minister of Public Safety Mike Farnworth. Shame on you both! You are not public servants. You only serve yourselves.

    No Results-No Respect!

    Justice for Lindsay Buziak.

    • MJ says:

      It is so, so obvious that there “IS” a cover-up…a pay-off to some higher uppers in keeping this particular “murder case“, frozen in time…untouched, unsolved….back then and for now! However, there is always an “expiring date“ for everything….yes everything….and something, I repeat, something is bound to happen….when? nobody knows.
      JEFF BUZIAK’s détermination for his daughters justice “WILL” be served…for “good” always outweigh “evil” immediately or in time and “justice“ is an unbreakable guarantee in this life or the other…one way or the other!
      I am surprised that those players, amongst the killers, are still holding on to their silence…that their conscience has not given in as of yet…that the slip of the tongue has not occurred during all those years…my my….that temptation was not strong enough to bring forward “the truth“ BUT, it will in due time! My, my, my!!! Their beating hearts are stone cold!! But make no mistake “YOU, THE KILLERS”…, look forward to your expiring date and it “WILL” come up and man-oh-man, it’s gonna hurt real bad! Your outstanding life style, your fashionable, prestigious, impressive castle of cards will come crumbling down real fast…..and it’s gonna hurt where it hurts the most, in your pocket-book…..someone, yes someone “WILL” come forward..keep that in mind…that…..it’s a matter of time! JUST REMEMBER, this “CLOSED MURDER CASE-LINDSEY BUZIAK” has an expiring date ….it “will” bust open with guaranteed justice!!! ITS A MATTER OF TIME…..

  38. Dag-Asle says:

    They have a crime scene, suspects, probably alot of evidence not realeased yet. I dont know hoe big this island is, but they should have shut that island down. Nobody out of the island without 100% identification. The police fucked up intentionally or by incompetence.

    This case is absolutely solvable.

    • see closely says:

      You surely don’t know anything about this island.It has well over 700 hundred thousands of population.How or why to shut them out?We are not China or former Soviet Union.

  39. Jeff Buziak, father says:

    Murder! Murder! Murder!

    Lindsay was silenced because she knew too much. She saw something she shouldn’t have seen which involved people who shouldn’t be doing what she saw. Lindsay was not involved but was preparing to get away because she knew it was wrong and she didn’t want any part of it in her life. They were trying to lure her in, keep her under control, and they couldn’t let her go because of fear and GREED. She was now a threat to their lifestyles. Ask the following people about what Lindsay stumbled upon and/or what she was up to prior to her execution:

    Derek Egan, Mike Chadwick, Bob Downie, Scott Green, former and current Saanich police chiefs.
    Former Saanich Mayor Frank Leonard.
    Langford Mayor Stew Young.
    Shirley, Ryan and Jason Zailo.
    Zailo extended family Ziggy Matheson.
    Paul Bergshoeff
    Joe Desousa
    Mike Miller, Abstract Developments.
    Especially millionaire entrepreneur Night club owner Saanich constable Chris Horsley.
    Saanich cop Horsley/Stew Young pal Len Barrie, former jet setting NHL team owner and Bear Mtn developer.

    Saanich police have everything, except what has already conveniently disappeared, but are scared to expose it because it runs deep. Police want to be safe and blame ghosts from Mexico but its all right in Greater Victoria.

    Murder is against the law everywhere in the world except Victoria, B.C. CANADA suburb Saanich.

    Its up to us to flush it out because police won’t.

    Please help. (not suggestions, Do something)

  40. dag-asle says:

    1.So she was setup by someone as a snitch on the drug bust?
    2.Zailos set her up for unknown reasons?

    I still can’t understand that the police don’t have any camera footage from the ferry (terminal),neighbourhood where the crime occured. No DNA,no fingerprints or footprints?

    They can’t be that incompetent, but corrupt maybe.

    • see closely says:

      There were no cameras on ferries because nobody-including police- knew what is going to happen in Victoria with Lindsay’s murder.By the way,there are a hundreds of passengers on the ferry betwen Tsawwasen(Vancouver)and Swartz Bay(Victoria.)Who and/or what are they going to look for on ferry the day, or days) prior to the day of murder?By the way ,it is about 25 kilometres between ferry terminal and the house of murder.You don’t seem to know anything about geography of Vancouver and Victoria.Your opinion is so far from situation that it could be ignored as it does not add ANYTHING to this murder case.

      • Jeff Buziak, father. says:

        CORRECTION, there were cameras at B.C. Ferries. Please quit putting false info on here because you want to sound like you know. Do your research or say I’m guessing or misleading because that is what you are doing.

        • see closely says:

          What I meant was, that there were not cameras that would be associated with the murder since nobody knew that the murder will happen.Certainly not SPD- but possibly the murderer/s who had no intention to draw attention to themselves which is another of my gobblygook confusing statements.

          • Dag-Asle says:

            I hope you are sarcastic. So cameras are only put up before a crime occur at that specific area. Maybe you work for the SPD as no cameras reviewed after a crime occur are checked. So Chris Watts’ neighbour knew that he would kill his family, thats why his camera was there.

    • Robin says:

      Here is my opinion, Who knows what goes on at the SPD, it may just be a daycare for soon to be retired cops with Alzheimer’s. No one can seem to make any sense of what goes on there, well hold on…. we do know that they do NOT solve MURDER there. They have a major crime of a 24 year old local girl who was lured to a house under false pretences and viciously murdered. Lindsay’s murder has international media wondering WTF is going on but spd have no comment. Well I’ll tell ya what I think. The SPD has a major corruption problem and no one who is accountable is taking responsibility for the corruption YET? All the people who should be stepping up are hiding from each other hoping the public will go away or find something else to fill their lives with before they have to be the one who finally says ENOUGH!! This was the advice of the corrupt cop who told the killers what usually happens with murder.
      “ it’s typical for families to sink into deep depression and then it is swept under the rug and forgotten about, I know I have seen it a hundred times, believe me I know.” Well that may be so but not this time! That was the status quo but not anymore. The public are figuring out the way cops have been thinking, no more detective work just getting dressed in sport jacket and silk tie everyday, keeping up appearances so to speak. Soooooo……..we the public must change our ways too and now we must unite then command the police Who work for us to help solve the unsolved murders, yes that’s the new way.
      So Dag-asle u r thinking like a detective here… good on you. I agree the Zailo’s are the snitches. They probably ratted out the Del Alcazar’s who framed Lindsay for it. They were into the SPD or someone for something and they needed to save their own asses. Lindsay was pissing them off anyway. She wasn’t the sheepish, pretty say nothing-see nothing-girl they needed in the famiglia. She wasn’t content putting up with a cruel criminal, don’t give a fk about anyone else world like all the other POS Fks sucking off a corrupt system so I can live like I’m the elite idiot I want appear to be. Lindsay cared more about humanity, she wasn’t tainted enough for them and since she decided JaSIN was one of POS society leaches that wouldn’t suit her lifestyle Lindsay now became a problem for la famiglia, The Langford Mafia. She knew too much about the shifty shit that made their world tick. Too many lifestyles stood to be affected and that was a problem. Yup SZ was the snitch and she is being protected!!!! Cops protect informants. That is why Lindsay’s murder is sitting in limbo today. It’s that simple.

      • Svetlana says:

        I don’t know why but I feel that the 6 foot man was Paul B. Why leave a prosperous cafe business, a background in real estate that could be useful in Victoria and surroundings, an area you practically lived your whole life in, and most of all YOUR KIDS?

      • Charlotte says:

        What if it was Shirley the Del alcazars were after, and out of fear for her own life and that of her sons, she shuffled the blame onto Lindsay?

      • Dag-Asle says:

        They have a crime scene, suspects, probably alot of evidence not realeased yet. I dont know hoe big this island is, but they should have shut that island down. Nobody out of the island without 100% identification. The police fucked up intentionally or by incompetence.

        This case is absolutely solvable.

    • Svetlana says:

      I doubt she was setup or has anything to do with snitching. Whatever it was she knew would’ve given the Zailos a bad name. Police know something but why hide it?

      • Dag-Asle says:

        You are 100% the Zailos did it. See, that is tunnell vision.

      • Svetlana says:

        Be sure that the murderers were hanging around in close vicinity after Lindsay’s murder. Probably even participated in the March for Justice for Lindsay. To keep an eye (or ear) on things…

        • see closely says:

          this island has well over 700 hundred thousands of population.How or why to shut them out?We are not China or former Soviet Union.

          • Svetlana says:

            Who’s shutting who out? It is a known fact that murderers after the fact will continue showing their sort of “friendship” to the victim’s family to throw suspicion off of them, so they go to the funeral, or lunch or whatever. Zailo went to the Justice for Lindsay march, not sure how many.

      • MJ says:

        WHAT IF:
        What if there were no real “Mexican” couple after all and especially from out of town…taking the ferry in and out! What if the killers were well known to Lindsey. What if Jason was in on the plan all along. What if Lindsey was killed immediately upon her arrival at this particular “chosen“ empty house. What if this bogus couple stage their arrival right “after” Lindsey was murdered. What if the woman (if a woman) walking toward the house had a blonde wig. What if the sent text to Jason was not Lindsey herself but one of the killers. What if that text sent to Jason was to show that Lindsey was still alive at the time (although maybe murdered already) and using words such as “Gotta go, the Mexicans are here”! Was this a signal that the murder was being done?

        WHY:
        Why was Shirley Zailo on foot in that same area and approximate at the same time of Lindsey’s murder? Why was Sherley’s other son there also, in the same area at the same approximate time? Why were they both at this blonde family friend a few streets away? Where did they park their car? Why were they on foot? Were they actually coming back to the murder scene after changing their clothing? Pretending they were coincidentally in the area? Why was the owner of the house around earlier? Why was his house chosen and fitted the exact needs specified by the bogus buyers? COINCIDENCE you may say? I tend to say: Not a chance!!! Why did this owner of that house say with such strong conviction that “Lindsey deserved what she got”? Why would he say such cold gruesome words? What does he really know about it all? NO ONE DESERVES TO DIE THAT WAY! Why did Jason insists on taking this particular friend to dinner that late afternoon after having a late lunch with Lindsey, and why did he intentionally dragged the friend along to the million dollar house? Why did Jason not have the adresse to that house where Lindsey was showing? Why did he call his mother for the lock-code? Why did Jason call Lindsey’s phone and tell her he was approximately a short distance away? Was this to check if she was already murdered? Why did Jason repeatedly changed his car around the “Cul-de-Sac” and parked in different parking spaces while stalling at a crucial time before deciding to get out and check on Lindsey inside the house? Was Jason waiting for a signal? Why did he let his friend go first into the house by the back side of the house? Upon himself entering the house, why did he go directly up-stairs to find Lindsey’s dead body? Did he honestly knew before hand, she was already dead? And what’s more strange is around the same time, something else happened: Why did this neighbor near-by, suddenly change his family plans? Why did this neighbor nervously switch cars with his wife..something he never did before? Was it to accommodate or transport someone getting away from the crime scene? Was this neighbor involved? Does this neighbor know the truth? Is he being paid for his silence? And I’m missing some!
        The Burner phones are no brainer…however…why were they purchased months before the murder? Were they actually bought for this particular murder or they were already purchased and on hand for other purposes? Were the owners of those burner phones participants in this murder? Were they connected directly or indirectly with the Zailos?
        ONE THING IS FOR SURE….THAT THIS WAS A PREMEDITATED MURDER……BUT WHY?
        It sure looks like the Zailo family have the answers to “ALL” those “WHAT IF’S AND THE WHY’S” And lots of them are circonstanciel evidence…..
        My opinion

        • Dennis says:

          Great opinion! It is so obvious to us who the real killers are, it’s not rocket science. But our obstacle is the corruption and dirty cops of the SPD. We are unable to finalize this murder with charges and conviction because we are stone walled by the corruption. How these dirty cops sleep at night is beyond my comprehension. They’ve taken an oath and failed miserably at their duties, they are liars and criminals in their own lair. Not only are they in sheep’s clothing but they are the fox guarding the hens house. Whose going to step up to the plate and expose these criminals (in police clothing) and do the right thing?
          Shame on that long, long list of dirty cops and politicians. Mayor Haynes and ALL the police board. Police chief’s, past and present. Horsley and all his minions. The IIO and all those covering up for the SPD. The list is long and depressing. How does the very body of policing manage to coverup such corruption amongst themselves?

          • Robin says:

            Join the walk for justice on Feb 02, 2021. There is only one way to show our displeasure with the status quo and that is to join together and let the police and politicians hear us loud and clear. Canadians need to find our voice and use it! Our concerns are not getting the attention they deserve.

            • Dennis says:

              While it’s virtually impossible for many of us to be there physically, I hope you appreciate that we are there in spirit and support from our residence (mainland) and social media – we do support the cause.

          • ConnectTheDots says:

            I agree 100% and I think the only solution is to defund/reconstruct the police. I’m not saying take away the police completely, just rearrange it. Stop funding them to continue the same old same old. Start at the ground. You have to remove a chink in the chain to bring down the whole corrupt system. The police play a pivotal role when it comes to democracy. I think we need to replace our now archaic policing system with a system that is tough on the real criminals, like the ones that committed this heinous act, and prioritize or even offer support for those that are just having a bad day and/or are having addiction or mental issues. Right now they are spending our resources going after people that are not necessarily bad people. They are just people who are breaking stupid laws. We need a complete overhaul of our priorities when it comes to policing compete with checks and balances unlike what we have today.

        • ConnectTheDots says:

          Well said and my opinion too. There are way too many coincidences and weirdness here to dismiss. What the hell is going on?

        • Rosanne says:

          So are you saying Lindsay was going along with the murder pre-planning? She told her father about speaking to the couple. Would that be the imaginary couple? She told others at her work about this couple. Why would the police make up witnesses, a dress, a drawing and a hair colour? Why would Jason, Cohen and Horsley make up seeing anyone or shadows at all. Well you could say to point the investigation away from the real killers. Saying nothing would have pointed the case in every direction and made it impossible to solve. Then you got the bloody footprints that had no way of getting there without walking in the blood! This leaves us with someone so smart they seem to be getting away with murder. Then are so stupid they couldn’t figure out that if they had just shut up and said absolutely nothing on the mystery couple at the crime scene, they wouldn’t have anything to go on that could solve this murder and the police wouldn’t seem like they are just so incapable of doing their job? Look at all the talk about the car they drove up in, proves my point. No evidence, no solving, no fault. Which if there was no couple Lindsay had to also be making them up as well.. That part makes no sense at all.

          • ConnectTheDots says:

            Lindsay could have been talking to anyone on the phone posing as the buyers. In fact, she was very weirded out by those phone calls. Her gut instinct was telling her that something was wrong. Did Cohen see the shadowy figures or the people coming out the front door ( whichever version is the truth ) or was that just Jason’s version of events? Also, they had to concoct someone else being at the scene of the murder to draw attention away from themselves and the fact that the whole Zailo family was either in that neighborhood or at the scene of the crime at the time of the murder. Yes, they could be that stupid. This case is riddled with inconsistencies and slip ups that they didn’t think about. For instance, they did not think about how weird and out of place it would look if Shirley walked up to the murder scene shortly after it had been committed. They didn’t think about how odd it would appear that Ryan was also in the neighborhood at the time of the murder. All three of them right there or close by. What are the odds of that? I could go on and on……….

          • ConnectTheDots says:

            Lindsay was only repeating what she was told by the “prospective buyers”. That in no way means that she was participating in the whole set up. As far as we know she may well have never actually met anybody.

          • Dennis says:

            I’ll make a summary effort to refute your statements/questions but while doing that you MUST think outside your box and blinders and understand that Lindsay’s murder is unsolved 13 years later because the police are dirty and corrupt. By no means are the killers capable of pulling this off without the corruption and cooperation of the police.
            Lindsay most certainly didn’t “make up” the fictitious couple posing to buy property, she most certainly had “contact” via cell calls, but never “physically” meet the alleged couple, she had no idea that the killers were posing as buyers to leer her to the Desousa house. She NEVER referred to these fake buyers as “the Mexicans” and she NEVER eluded to having identified them with a name…. odd… don’t you think? Who calls/speaks (apparently several times) to potential clients without possessing a name? Even Jane or John Doe would have been credible. Is it because the fake couple NEVER provided a name?
            Where do you believe the police “made up” the existence of the fake couple? The SPD simply provided statements of their existence based on Zailo, Oatman and some fake witnesses, the police have never proven this fake couple ever existed – physically! Their description of some unique dress and hair colour was from the “witnesses”…. not “made up” by the police but certainly extracted as factual without validation.
            Bloody footprints? Not sure how you make your conclusion based on these prints and not sure exactly where you obtained that evidence as factual but if that evidence does in fact exist, I would not have trusted the SPD to have processed it efficiently and effectively, likely compromised and poorly evidenced at this stage.
            What car? Are you referring to the fake couples’ means of transportation? Because that is a mystery in itself as no one can identify how they arrived at the home, again this lack of transport would suggest they not only don’t exist (physically) but that in fact they were NEVER at the house. I would suggest the declaration of the “witnesses” who claim to have seen someone (?) is a very misleading statement and how come these “witnesses” made no mention of a vehicle in the area? They could “witness” these fake clients, but made no witness to their arrival or means of transportation…. odd.
            In your rash of defending the killers and dirty cops, you’ve failed miserably to read the entire synopsis in relation to just how the dirty cops have managed to cover up Lindsay’s murder and identify the real killers. There is a long, deep association with the dirty cops, Zailo’s and all their associates in the real estate money laundering and drug world. Do some homework and don’t just flippantly spew from the hip.
            Ya don’t get brownie points for being gullible and naive.

            • Rosanne says:

              Well thank you for schooling me. You were surprised by a second burner phone too. So everyone on here does not have a whole story. I just don’t get throwing out a piece of the story you do have. I am neither defending the killers or dirty cops. Mr. Buziak is doing everything in his power to expose and expediate. I am sickened and believe what the Saanich Police department has done to this victims family is horrid. I would love to see a class action suit that wipes out shoddy treatment of a victim or their family and makes that against the law too. That is overdue! The footprints are in Mr. Buziak’s timeline on this page. Bloody footprints are real and factual evidence. The body is evidence. The video from the car place where Jason had his picture taken is evidence. You ask” What car? Are you referring to the fake couples’ means of transportation? Because that is a mystery in itself as no one can identify how they arrived at the home, again this lack of transport would suggest they not only don’t exist (physically) but that in fact they were NEVER at the house.” Yes, If they are going to make up a non-existent couple right down to bloody footprints, to lead away from the real killers, why not give a bogus car too? By the same token, if they say nothing about the car, why being up a couple? Does it make sense that they would go through all of the trouble to make their own lives harder? The same people responsible for the couple are responsible for the lack of a car too. Believe it or not, I am on your side. I would like to see this solved and every last person who had anything to do with this injustice at all be put behind bars. When you take out the couple, you have faked fence boards as an escape route for nobody, you have neighbor drivers doing crazy stuff to drive them away That isn’t real evidence because there could be explanations that prove it doesn’t have anything to do with the crime. Bloody footprints at a crime scene don’t get this break. This is murder, you don’t have to be holding the knife to get into big trouble, “conspiracy to commit murder is an indictable offence, punishable by a maximum term of life imprisonment”. That would apply to a fence breaker, a neighbor driver, any witness giving false evidence, a person behind a burner phone used in a murder and it would include police and police chiefs that helped this happen. If you can prove the couple was made up then you would also have a mitt full of perjury charges. I already had my brownie points for being gullible and naïve when I believed that when a police department cleared a suspect it really meant something.

              • Dennis says:

                Here’s how Lindsay was killed:
                *She arrived at the killing house straight from the “late lunch” – she did not stop at her residence to “change her clothes” – that is a statement from Zailo, no proof she ever did that.
                *Lindsay arrived at the killing house while Desousa was still there, waiting for her, (cia 4:50-5:00) she did not access the lockbox because Desousa greeted her at the door under the invitation he would give her a quick viewing before the “clients” arrived.
                *Desousa led Lindsay upstairs because that’s where SZ & RZ were hiding in the master closet. Check out the layout, it’ll look clearer. As Desousa stood at the doorway, he likely motioned for Lindsay to have a look at the en-suite and while she made her way over to the washroom door, passing by the closet doors, she was ambushed from behind by RZ exiting the closet, stabbed some 40+ times while SZ retrieved her BB from her pocket (or perhaps fell from her hand) and began the text exchanges with JZ. Desousa left promptly leaving SZ & RZ to clean up their killing. That “cleanup” included stripping down from their hazmat suites, jamming Lindsay’s BB into her jacket pocket, hence the pocket dial that SZ didn’t realize she’d done and stripping off Lindsay’s shoes (she did not remove them as Desousa likely hurried her along to the upstairs in order to expedite the murder) and hastily throwing them at the landing as SZ made her way out (with bloody footprints by stockings) in an effort to appear that Lindsay had removed her shoes, all part of the setup.
                *Lindsay is now deceased, cia: 5pm… long before the Mexicans arrived (those are SZ words from her texting) and as JZ & SZ are making their exit to the broken fence, SZ (or RZ) make one last stop at the front door to initiate the appearance that the lockbox was activated at 5:30… meanwhile JZ’s timing is a tad off so he makes up the story of a male silhouette in the doorway heading back into the house in case Oatman saw a figure. This figure was setting the lockbox and Oatman did not recognize it as RZ or didn’t see it.
                *This is where JZ is stalling for time (between his arrival and actually getting out of the car to check on Lindsays welfare.) because he was given a clear indication from his mother and brother that they had not cleared the premises so they needed “time” to accomplish that. That’s why he sat in the car for ½ an hour and moved it around so Oatman didn’t witness anyone exiting out the back or front.
                *boyfriend, JZ was about to get kicked to the curb and RZ was scorned by Lindsay and SZ is a wing-nut psycho who is a murderer in real-estate attire. Plenty of motive for this very personal execution.
                * in the end, there were no “Mexicans” and that part was just made up and assisted the dirty cops for their corruption. And to give a red-herring for others to chase.
                On that final note, it is good to hear you’re on the “good” side here, but your questions give a wrong impression. Your obsession to have proof that the Mexicans didn’t exist is challenged by “proving” they did!

                • Rosanne says:

                  Jason has another problem like running straight to where Lindsay was in the house. The last thing Lindsay knows is she is meeting the man buyer alone. The call from him that his wife will not be there is the last call from the burner phone to Lindsay. Jason drives up to the house and either sees 2 shadow figures behind glass or a male exiting the house. He then waits and later checks the door to find it locked and calls 911. He is quoted as saying Lindsay was meeting “a female client from out of town” and “asked him to “ kind of follow her” because she was “ kind of scared”. If Lindsay didn’t know there would be a female there where did Jason get his information? Evidence puts a woman in the house but none of the evidence Jason should have, does that. Now I am back at Lindsay is “kind of scared” waiting to meet a male client she doesn’t know. The girls at her office said “really weird” and “freaked out”. The text supposed to be from Lindsay says “oh I’ve got to go they’re here” it is a text so there should be at least a screen shot of it. She didn’t say anything about a female?? Why wouldn’t Jason assume she saw their car coming down the street. Seeing this couple walk up would have been a red flag to someone already on alert. She also is not going to walk into that house if there is anything too strange or funny about the clients. Logic says, actually screams, with her gut feeling she is not going to be lured into that house by Ryan and Shirley playing dress up.The police version has Joe DeSousa leaving the house at around the time “ 4:30” the lunch bill is being paid at 4:24. Lindsay’s wounds say she was surprised, reflex would caused defensive wounds. She didn’t have any. If at any point there was anything flaky at all and Lindsay Changed a single thing it would have ruined hours and hours of planning.

                • ConnectTheDots says:

                  Great response Dennis and I think you are completely right with everything you have said. It makes sense. Explains all of the inconsistencies. The fake accent caller was, imo, Shirley. If there was a physical presence of buyers it probably was Shirley in a blonde wig ( she didn’t think to wear something that wasn’t so clearly her style ) and Ryan, with someone posing as Lindsay, who walked up, no car, after cleaning up from a near by residence and put on the prospective buyer show. Then Ryan and the fake Lindsay went out the back to the neighbors house where they were driven away probably back to where Ryan said he was and Shirley either went there or to another house nearby and prepared herself for showing up, again on foot, as a concerned mother to make sure that she had some sort of control over the scene of the crime and more importantly Jason and Cohen.

                • Michael says:

                  what confuses me about your theory is the time line, it my understanding the pocket dial happened at 5:44. and lock box at 530 and you say it is SZ who physically causes the pocket dial and lock box action.
                  under your theory lindsay arrives at 450- 5:00, but in your theory she is also being hurried, so hurried she isn’t even given a chance to remove her shoes.
                  well if she arrives at 450-500 pm what time are you suggesting she is killed? 5:05 , 5:10, 5:15 5:20 5:25 or are you saying he was ” hurried but was actually in house for 30 to 40 minutes before being killed?
                  or if your saying she was killed very soon after arrival then why did SZ wait 30 to 40 minutes in the house before activating the lockbox and 14 more minutes after that to make the action which caused the pocket dial?
                  now I suppose you could say that the information put out by police on lockbox time and pocket dial time are wrong, but you dont you in fact use the 530 lockbox time in your own theory.
                  now I maybe confused and mis read what you wrote, im simply trying to understand your theory and where we are missing each other, so please if you reply please reply in a respectful work together fashion. thank you

                • Michael says:

                  also im confused as to why Lindsay would show up almost 40 to 50 minutes before a showing,
                  also can you better explain the ” stalking and bloody print thing, im not clear what your saying there.
                  Also I may be wrong but I thought we knew the burner phone travled over to the island that day. if the caller never showed up and was simply a fake caller to get her there why does the phone travel over to the island that day at all?

            • ConnectTheDots says:

              “and she NEVER eluded to having identified them with a name…. odd… don’t you think? Who calls/speaks (apparently several times) to potential clients without possessing a name? Even Jane or John Doe would have been credible. Is it because the fake couple NEVER provided a name?”
              Was the caller acting as a middle person so their name wasn’t important enough to write down? If you command and confuse the conversation, like with the heavy, weird, fake sounding accent Lindsay described, you could get away with that. As soon as the conversation gets to a name you come up with a distraction or have to run. You are right though, a normal conversation would have revealed a name and Lindsay would have written it down.

              • Michael says:

                yes but she also mentioned this odd conversation to her father as well and apparently she didn’t give him a name for the couple. but your right that is odd something is off there for sure, she
                she has a bad feeling about this couple , calls the former client who supposedly referred her, but doesn’t get a name, she must have had a name to say to that client ” hey did you refer me to a Mr and Mrs. such and such.
                No one asks her “well what did they say their name was? and did you look up there name.
                gosh all these thoughts are now hitting me on how this could been stopped say Lindsay asked them ” oo what company is your husband transferring from, called that company and she would have found out that person didn’t exist.

            • micheal says:

              ummm im not following you, Who talks to a couple several times without getting a name? Great question i wonder the same thing, are you saying Lindsay did take down a name for them?
              But either way her not taking down a name for them does zero to show they did or did not show up

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