Lindsay Buziak Murder

JUSTICE FOR LINDSAY BUZIAK

Lindsay Buziak Murder

on November 11, 2011

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This site has been created for the sole purpose of sharing information to help SOLVE THE HEINOUS MURDER of LINDSAY BUZIAK of Victoria B.C. Canada.  Lindsay Buziak was a beautiful hardworking 24 year old woman who was viciously murdered in the Victoria suburb of Saanich at 1702 De Sousa Place on February 2, 2008.  She was stabbed to death at 5:38 – 5:41 p.m. while performing her duty as a ReMax Camosun Realtor showing a vacant home For Sale to a couple.  Her killers and planners are still free.  Her murder remains unsolved by Saanich Police lead by Constable Chris Horsley.  If you have any information which could lead to the arrest of the people involved in Lindsay’s murder please contact CRIME STOPPERS or Lindsay’s father Jeff Buziak: jeffbuziak@hotmail.com  There is a reward being offered.

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6,607 responses to “Lindsay Buziak Murder

  1. Vanessa Villier says:

    I have listened to all the evidence and I personally think the boyfriend and his mom planned this murder.

  2. Kaysar says:

    It’s so clear boyfriend set this up. His story does not add up.

    • JB says:

      I find it odd that he went into the house and ran straight upstairs. That would not be my first instinct. I would have called her name running room to room on the first floor, before going upstairs. That all seems planned to me. Plus, the fact that Jason was the one who offered to attend the showing with her. How convenient he places himself (car) outside to create his own alibi. The police need to follow the trail of money from the Zailo’s. They had the connections to have someone order the murder. Just my two cents.

    • Svetlana says:

      Of course, and you can see it in his face on the various news footage available on youtube. So shifty looking. He didn’t look so distraught when his girlfriend had just been murdered, more like he was relieved and looking around probably to make sure that no one’s on to him. Incredibly lucky that he didn’t get caught, but soon hopefully no more luck for him.

  3. J says:

    It’s probably way to late now. But I bet there’s a huge chance that they viewed that house before. probably within the 3 months or just before the cell phone was bought. They had such specific want’s, 20 min from town, certain price, move in ready ect. It would have been interesting to see if they could search a list of housing that met that criteria in that timeline and see viewed the houses and had more suspects they could go through. If you were going to do something so violent you’d want to make sure there’s no CTV inside the house and what not..

    • Svetlana says:

      The only people who would know that stuff would be in Lindsay’s real estate office. CAMOSUN REMAX. POLICE MUST CHECK THAT OUT. They can get it if they want. I also wonder how many of those real estate agents at that office were really truthful and if any were hiding or not giving out information.

      I don’t think it’s too late for police to find things out if they wanted to. They have authority but it’s the person in charge that is the problem as the go ahead would have to come from that person, not from some small positioned police officer who’s handing out traffic tickets.

    • ConnectTheDots says:

      Shirley Zailo knows the owner and was aware of that house. She could easily have listed off the wants of the “prospective buyers” to match that house and probably that house alone.

      • Robin says:

        I believe SZ, JZ and RZ were all in the house at least once prior to Feb. 02, 2008. SZ’s boyfriend was friends with owner Joe DeSousa too. It’s no accident that Lindsay was lured there to be murdered, that was the plan. Why would SZ pass over the opportunity to have the listing of this house for herself or at least her office? Why did she give it to the other Remax anyway? The knew dam well what was going to happen there on Feb. 02 which also means Joe DeSousa knew that Lindsay was going to be murdered in his house. There’s way too many coincidences here, way to many!!!!

        • Svetlana says:

          I thought the house was under her office? Who is the other Remax involved?

          Definitely this house was checked out by a realtor no doubt. Someone must have seen something!

          I wish they can look into JZ motives.

        • eight says:

          Does anyone know if Lindsay visited the house prior to 5:30pm on Feb 02nd? And if so, who showed it to her?

          Would she turn up one minute before the showing time to show clients a house she’d never been in?

        • ConnectTheDots says:

          Not too hard to connect the dots here. If you step back, even just a bit, the whole picture is laid out to see. All of the odd behaviors and coincidences ( there are a lot of them ) by themselves don’t make any sense but put them all together and it all makes sense. More than enough reason to NOT CLEAR THEM! More than enough reason to pull out all the stops and get this murder solved.

          • Svetlana says:

            Lindsay wasn’t even the agent responsible for the house on Desousa. How can she possibly go and show and sell the house to someone the next day without speaking to the two agents Lidstone and Di Castri about the house? Someone in that office took control over this viewing.

            And how many people heard or saw Lindsay on February 2nd or the night before?

            Was she really seen at Sauce restaurant?

    • J says:

      Also the drug bust also makes no sense as motive. The burner phone was bought and never used before the bust even happened. People don’t just buy one with no plan for it as a just incase. Also for such a short timeline and the fact that it seems to be set in motion 3 months before they seem smart enough not to leave stuff up to chance. Maybe They had enough time after she made the viewing appt. Im assuming they would have known the address once she booked it.. Another thing is I understand why the bf didn’t go in when he saw them assuming the open house just started. Thats a huge sale, you have to be professional walking in after the fact is not.

  4. Robin says:

    New Podcast – MUST LISTEN!

    Look what I found today while googling podcasts for Lindsay and it seems to have just been done. It is really well done and very informative, questions answered by Jeff.

    • Robin says:

      Btw I have listened to this podcast 3x today. It’s one of the better ones I think. Please make sure you all sign the petition on the homepage or thru this link. It’s way past time for Lindsay’s murder to be solved.

      • see closely says:

        I listened to this podcast and the one items that jumped at me was that SPD has only one DNA from the place of murder.That DNA belongs to Lindsay.Perhaps we will never know from SPD,but did they compared this DNA with any of Lindsay’s blood relatives?It seems to me that this DNA would have a large common factors with any blood relatives-along with an unique factors of the particular relative.If they did,and they did not find any of these unique factors then all those blood relatives are certainly free of any responsibility for the actual,physical murder.I don’t believe that there is no other DNA found in the place murder.Not in such gruesome murder.

      • Wyatt says:

        Very excellent podcast, thanks Robin. I always admire how articulate Jeff is, I find myself listening to every word, he’s a very good speaker, much like Obama, say what you like about that guy but he could speak like no other, as Jeff does. The corruption and dirty cops of Saanich continue without impunity. The policing of Saanich is less than mediocre and even more absent is their ability, knowledge and experience to be clean, good cops! Shame on the Mayor, shame on the political parties that have their head up their arse and shame on the policing establishments for permitting the continue corruption of the Saanich Police!

      • eight says:

        The most encouraging piece of information from this podcast is buried in the discouraging piece about the former FBI contact having to cut Mr. Buziak off from any information.

        Implicit in that statement is that the Saanich police have established an agreement with the former FBI personage that will provide him file information. He obviously wouldn’t waste time with them otherwise, and they would not insist on a prohibition of shared information unless their intent was to share it in the first instance.

        It’s unlikely either party would be doing this unless both thought there was a possibility the ex-FBI man’s expertise and platform could help, and his fresh look may be just what’s needed.

        There is hope.

      • Svetlana says:

        I heard something in that podcast about someone called Navneet or something like that. What did he really know and who was he?

    • Svetlana says:

      Wonder if Vid is having his expenses paid for the rest of his life.

    • jessica says:

      The case is being investigated. I am predicting an arrest in the next year

  5. Jenny says:

    My condolences to you and your family, such a tragic story. Keep going xxx Jenny from Dublin, Ireland

  6. Robin says:

    I was watching one of the shows done on Lindsay’s murder and came across this comment that is likely true.

    It was Jason’s mother Shirley. Everyone knows this in Victoria. Horsley is afraid of Shirley due to her drug connections in the cartel. She even had connections to the house where the murder took place.

    Another one

    Yup, they pretty much have the cops bought out and not only that without evidence there is no prosecution.

  7. Glenn says:

    So sorry for your loss ! Just watched it on tv .
    They said the nebor saw them shake hands , what about touch dna ? I hope you find her murders !

  8. Jeff Buziak, father says:

    How to Become Saanich Police Chief?
    For Dummies 101

    Very easy….put in time, stay out of trouble, don’t bring up issues, join the old boys club(obc), they will appoint you head of detective division, DO NOTHING as Inspector in charge of the detective division then obc will appoint you deputy chief which requires you to hide and do nothing. THEN, when your non-performing predecessor retires with a big payout the obc will anoint you with the position of chief. Most importantly, DO NOT solve Lindsay Buziak’s murder just like your predecessors!!! (4 of them) Then…..of utter importance, take lots of holidays and do nothing until your contract is up and your golden payout is received by you to live happily ever after as the loser you are. Don’t laugh as I’m being serious. This is what goes on in Saanich, BC. Would you want this type of leader as Commander In Charge if you or your country were at war?

    We are at war every day. Good vs bad, light vs dark, criminals vs justice system, goodness vs evil. We are also busy making a living, surviving life, raising children, maintaining a relationship, trying to improve ourselves so we rely on our justice system to take care of the war so we are safe and not in fear of the evil criminals. To do that we pay taxes to have a police force supposedly watching over us daily with leaders who are paid handsomely to make sure that task is accomplished with authority and efficiently……..and nobody murders us or our loved ones with no consequences.

    WTF has happened to this principle we are supposed to live by? Well in Saanich BC the police really don’t care about the citizens or law and order. They care about promotions, pay raises, holidays, IMAGE and bigger budgets. They certainly don’t care about murder. Its allowed in Saanich by the chief of police, the Mayor, the police board and Saanich council.

    There have been 4, yes count ‘em FOUR, police chiefs or should I say losers in charge of Saanich police since Lindsay Buziak’s savage murder February 2, 2008. Twelve coming on thirteen years and nothing from Saanich police but pr crap, silence, threats, bullying, gas-lighting, and zero results so who is winning the war and who are the real losers. Definitely Saanich & Victoria citizens lose while Saanich police chiefs and criminals win because the chiefs continue to lose the war but not their jobs or retirement payouts. 4 losers in charge of solving a murder of a wonderful young woman while at work which everyone seems to know who is responsible for except the loser police and their useless leader. How can four commanders in charge of an army continue to lose the war and expect citizens to respect them personally, the police force they are in charge of and their ability as leader. Saanich police need to be dismantled and defunded and Victoria police or RCMP appointed to take over the entire region. Anyone but Saanich police would be an improvement. Saanich police are losers and their last four chiefs including the current one are useless. This is reality playing out in Victoria-Saanich, BC not anger on my part. Reality folks. Time is showing all of us.

    Lindsay Buziak murder UNSOLVED.

    No Results – No Respect
    No Accountability – No Respect
    No Communication – No Respect

    Please write an e-mail to the current chief of Saanich police Scott Green and tell him to get off his ass, roll up his sleeves and solve Lindsay’s murder or resign in shame because he will retire in shame with Lindsay’s murder unsolved. Don’t allow this chief or anyone try to tell you they don’t have enough, its complicated, it takes years because that is all bullshit. Its their job and they need to get on with doing their job or be defunded and dismantled for non-performance. He’s at:
    sgreen@saanichpolice.ca

    Thank you
    Father

  9. Svetlana says:

    This is very interesting what Detective Horsley said using the word FORENSIC in the video. What does that really mean? How did they know that there was a man and a woman? Interesting too that he said at this point in time- almost like they sort of suspect him but couldn’t do anything.


    “Based on FORENSIC evidence, we know he’s not the killer”.
    “At THIS POINT in time he is not considered a suspect”


    “We do know from the FORENSIC evidence that both the man and the female did go through the home and we do have evidence of them leaving the home however we do not have the evidence in the form of DNA or fingerprints”

  10. Robin says:

    https://www.timescolonist.com/news/local/would-island-crime-unit-have-cracked-the-buziak-case-1.1168

    Comment from this article:
    The Buziak family is confident the police are working hard to solve the case and they still have hope her killer will be found, her uncle Art Reitmayer said.

    I would like to hear from this family member again. What gives here. I didn’t even realize there was other family members. What are they thinking. C’mon you mean to tell me they are not questioning the status of Lindsay’s unsolved murder?
    This article was written in 2010 by Katie DeRosa. The SPD opted out of VIMCU in 2007 and Lindsay was murdered in Feb. 2008. Have they as of yet joined VIMCU? Also I see a comment at the end from Lindsay’s Uncle Art Reitmayer who was speaking for the Buziak family and was confident in the SPD finding Lindsay’s killer. Huh… where is this Art Reitmayer? Is this a fictitious Uncle? He was speaking for the Buziak family. Well Katie DeRosa from the Times Columnist how about an update to your article from 2010. If you could speak to Lindsay’s Uncle once do you think you could track him down again for us, the concerned citizens want to know wtf is going on here. It appears to me that the journalist job here is seriously neglected or is it possibly dictated to?
    So Lindsay has other family members and we only have her father and many people from the public wondering just what is going on after 12.5 yrs. I would say Lindsay’s unsolved murder should have been handed over to VIMCU years ago and I ask that we get the follow up from the Times Columnist as to just what is going on if anything with Lindsay’s unsolved murder. I ask Katie to see if Uncle Art is as disturbed as some of us are at the status of his niece’s unsolved murder. This is horrific that the public have to bring this to the attention of the Times Columnist, a local Victoria paper. I’m once again outraged at the status of Lindsay’s unsolved murder
    OMG
    Katie De Rosa still works at the Times Columnist too. She just published an article today.

    Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.
    Alexander Hamilton

    • Jeff Buziak, father says:

      Thanks Robin. Let me be very clear here. Art Reitmayer has never been authorized to speak for the Buziak family and never will be authorized to speak for the Buziak family. Art Reitmayer speaks for Art Reitmayer. I’m not sure where Katie de Rosa got that info from but it sure wasn’t from me. Lindsay’s mother is not a Buziak so either Katie just made it up or Art Reitmayer made that up. You will have to ask them but it is false information by an amateur reporter.

      • Magdelina says:

        I was watching a true crime story. I don’t know back in the day of your daughters murder, but they can now trace burner phones. I was shocked to hear and see this on tv the other night. It’s amazing what can be done today. This is why I believe Lindsey’s murder can be solved and I also believe they know all who were involved!

        • Robin says:

          The SPD obviously don’t know of technology from 2003 I might expect them to find out about burner phones in 2050. It is disgusting that the Saanich Police Department are proving to us day after day, month after month and year after year that we are all witnessing a MAJOR BOONDOGGLE while family and friends await justice. Unbelievable!

      • Susan says:

        http://www.theprovince.com/life/archive+first+anniversary+lindsay+buziak+killing+police+family+still+left/2510061/story.html

        Detectives stay in regular contact with Jeff Buziak, who lives in Calgary, and Lindsay’s mother Evelyn Reitmayer in Victoria. At first, Jeff Buziak said he was angry at police for not making an arrest. But with time, he said, he came to appreciate they were trying as best they could.

        “We’re all sitting around being armchair quarterbacks watching CSI and The First 48, and these type of [TV crime] shows, and criticizing what they should or shouldn’t do, asking who done it, speculating, and nobody’s doing anything about [helping],” he said.

        “The police are working hard. I see what they’re going through. I see at their desk, they have pictures of my daughter they look at every morning.” He said he’s seen officers cry while talking about his daughter’s case.

        Maybe Katie De Rosa got some of that info from this story which was published the day before?🤷‍♀️

        • Jeff Buziak, father says:

          Hi Susan. Yes at one time they tried and so did I but eventually you see through their smoke and mirrors and realize they just can’t get the job done because they lack the ability and leadership. You realize they are just playing you while they sit around and wait for the murder to solve itself because they aren’t smart enough or just too lazy and their superiors don’t real give a shit about anything but looking good and promoting their false image as upholders of the law. All I say has been proven by time and the actions or should I say inaction of the Saanich police. Saanich police losers; killers winners and own Saanich police.

          NO RESULTS – NO RESPECT

        • Robin says:

          Hello Susan
          I am speaking of the direct quote from Lindsay’s Uncle, Art Reitmayer. If he spoke in 2010 it way past due for him to speak again. It is now 10 years later!!!! Hello Katie DeRosa I know you are still at the Times Colimnist! How about some investigative journalism here. There are many questions to be answered for in Lindsay’s unsolved murder. To hell with the runaway snake we want to know what the Saanich Police are doing to see there is Justice For Lindsay. Just where does this vicious murder fit into the Times Columnist agenda. Good God are the SPD running the Times Columnist too. This is a local girl, a local paper, get with the program!

      • see closely says:

        I wonder whether Art Reitmayer knows whether Lindsay visited her maternal grandparents in White Rock(mainland area) prior to visiting her father in Calgary at that fateful time of 2008.(or during the trip to Calgary.)Yes,there is a dearth of information regarding Lindsay’s maternal branch of family.I wonder why?

  11. Jeff Buziak, father says:

    Saanich Police are why Lindsay’s murder remains unsolved…

    We can be so tortured as flawed humans with…….food, drink, sex, drugs, looks, image, money, consumer goods all taunting us daily and haunting us as we sleep….. …..or it can all be Grande if we manage to balance it all reasonably.
    Unfortunately some take things too far and destroy/harm their lives and the lives of others. Fortunately there is help in programs, counselling, family, friends, laws, prisons and police for those who lose control.
    However, in British Columbia the lines are blurry. Politicians, police and the justice system have allowed things to get out of control and even participate over the line to the detriment of society. Things go unchecked, hidden, masked, sealed and covered up! Drugs, mortgage fraud, money laundering and murder. B.C. Rail Scandal sealed by the BC government to this day.
    No where is this more evident than in Victoria, the Capital city, and especially the Victoria suburb of Saanich with probably one of the most lame police forces in Canada!
    Murder goes unchecked in Saanich. Murder is allowed in Saanich. Ask me. Our precious daughter Lindsay Buziak was savagely murdered February 2, 2008 while showing a home as a real estate agent. It has been confirmed Lindsay’s murder was premeditated by someone very close to her. Lindsay was set up and executed. Her murder remains unsolved and Saanich police remain silent and failing at their duty.
    Lindsay was born, raised, and schooled in Saanich. Everyone seems to know who murdered our special girl but Saanich police. Those same lame police and politicians remain steadfast in not doing anything about Lindsay’s murder to this day except trying to con the public into believing they are doing something about it.
    COMPLETE BULLSHIT !
    It has been 12 years now with nothing. Police remain publicly silent.
    Internally appointed Saanich police chief, now the fourth since murder, Scotty Green refuses any communication with me and has not spoken publicly to media about Lindsay’s brutal murder since taking office because he is embarrassed about their fumbling of this murder investigation and really doesn’t know what to do because of his poor leadership skills! So I say,
    NO RESULTS – NO RESPECT
    NO COMMUNICATION – NO RESPECT
    I would actually recommend people to stay away from Victoria, BC and especially Saanich. Victoria is really a dangerous place with no real law and order. The Caracas of Canada.

    • ConnectTheDots says:

      Is Scott Green embarrassed or complicit? It seems to me that if he genuinely wanted this case solved he would be delving into why it hasn’t been solved which, I think, would cause a huge shake up at the SPD. Instead he is choosing to ignore the fact that a very solvable case sits unsolved all these years. Don’t forget, the SPD went to great, bizarre lengths to stop the last mayor, Richard Atwell, from being elected. When he was elected, unseating a mayor that had been there for a very long time, the SPD and the whole Saanich council tried to freeze him out. Mayor Atwell would have liked to hire the next police chief from outside of the local pool in an attempt to clean up the SPD’s “old boys club” . I think that is what they were afraid of and why they desperately didn’t want him to win the election. They now have a mayor in place that they approve of. The “old boys club” is alive and well at the SPD. There is nowhere people can go with tips if they wanted to as no one trusts the SPD. I see in Vancouver an outside police force has taken over the investigation of the Robert Dziekanski attempted cover up. This is what we need in Saanich. This is what we need to pursue.

    • Svetlana says:

      When Deputy Chief Scott Green becomes Saanich’s top cop on Aug. 1, he will earn $230,493.40. news from 2019 https://www.bclocalnews.com/news/in-coming-saanich-police-chief-will-earn-approximately-230000/

      Nice salary! You can buy a big house all paid for within a few years with that. How lucky! Maybe he will do something about Lindsay’s murder and work on it since the average citizens are paying him from tax collection money?

      • Wyatt says:

        Hey, with the new buzz word this year being “systematic” dare I say, the Stupid Police…. errr… Satanic Police, ooops, Saanich Police have a systemic line of corruption and dirty cops! Hey, Green was systemically picked from the pool of corrupted and dirty cops and politicians…. doesn’t get anymore systemic than that! Let’s understand, Green has said zippo in the public forum because 1) he is a coward 2) he is corrupt 3) He is another dirty cop. 4) he was appointed by the very department’s that are corrupt themselves. 5). Oh geez, I could go on FOREVER!
        The Stupid Police of Saanich are so closely protected by the corrupt and dirty that the BC Rail scandal seems, well, less scandalous. After all, to my knowledge no body got executed in that scandal and certainly not an innocent, beautiful, vibrant young lady!
        It is a mystery, even by the “experts” as to tap into the good and conscious of those who commit, conspire or orchestrate violent murder, why? Because the answer is extremely simple…. they posses no conscious. Oatman certainly doesn’t. Us “normal” people can not even begin to understand how one holds viable information from the good and justice and they carry on, marry, have children, by all appearances live a contributory existence but they must look in the mirror, everyday and doesn’t the guilt of knowledge eat at your guts? Do they think of their own children? Being in Lindsay’s spot? Would they “carry on” if their child was executed with such violence? Needlessly? Because someone’s taken Lindsay’s rejection of them personally? In their own pea brain they think they’re “owed” something, when in fact they’ve been discarded as useful garbage by the good and the right. Skanky mommy dearest will be in prison one day. She’ll be pampered and respected in the criminal hierarchy of prison. Skank. I love that term. Ya can’t get anymore derogatory and trashy then being called a skank! It is a small prison term that we bestow upon the “con lovers” of society. Skanky Shirley Zailo, has a nice ring to it, don’t it? Likewise for the dirty cops at Stupid Police (spell check inoperable here). How do they put on their uniforms everyday? How do they not feel that gut wrenching guilt that must certainly eat at their conscious, slowly…. maybe they’ll be riddled with dementia for having been so dirty and corrupt, would make sense that all that corruption would rot your brain… eventually. Humpty+Dumpty will fall. We will get our Karma. Not sure when or where, but we will get it! Never give up. Never cease to do the right thing. And never cease to have the “right” thing executed.

        • ConnectTheDots says:

          Both Oatman and his wife are aware of the weirdness of that evening. I don’t think Oatman was a willing participant.

          • Rosanne says:

            There is also a good chance that everything CO knew was told to the police on the night of the murder. The Saanich police do not seem to care about evidence in this case. The way they are acting and not acting is not how I ever felt the police were supposed to be. It makes me sick that they spend time harming and hurting the VICTIM’S family. That never even entered my mind about what serve and protect or any part of the rest of their job would entail.

            • ConnectTheDots says:

              I think you are bang on Rosanne. This is not the way a police force is supposed to act. Ignoring and harrassing the victims family ( despicable ) is not what serve and protect is about. They really seem to have lost their focus as to who the bad guys are here. Why are they focusing on the victims family need and desire for justice when there are murderers walking around freely. Sitting back and waiting for tips to come in when they know the likely hood of that happening is zero is not what we pay them to do. A young woman was viciously slaughtered in Saanich and they seem to think that it is okay to allow the murderers to walk free. This is a prime example of why there is a movement to defund the police. The model that we have is not working for the people as well as it should. In this case it is not working at all. The police have clearly lost their focus on who they are supposed to be focusing on and what the taxpayers expect from them.

          • Wyatt says:

            Well I’d say he’s a “willing” participant now. He works for the killers! Hello!

          • Svetlana says:

            Why can’t police interview him again?

        • Svetlana says:

          And don’t forget, Zailo hired a criminal lawyer right away. The best that money can buy.

      • Robin says:

        And then maybe he won’t work on Lindsay’s murder. A year has gone by and we have not even heard Scott Green so much as mention Lindsay’s name! What’s the point of paying a chief all that money if they are unable to get any results in an obvious 12.5 yrs unsolved murder of a young woman starting out her adult life. OR maybe that is why Scott Green, Bob Downey are getting paid big bucks to NOT solve Lindsay’s murder. Seems to make sense. They certainly don’t make any attempts to speak publicly about what is going on!

        • ConnectTheDots says:

          They are MIA…..When do you ever hear them mention Lindsay’s unsolved murder, especially considering the public interest in getting this case solved, other than to respond to the public interest in a generic way. NEVER! EVER EVER! It’s like they don’t consider her heinous murder important, at all. Their only concern is the unwanted attention it has attracted.

        • Wyatt says:

          Because they’re all cowards! Anything they say will only incriminate themselves and they are desperate to hide their dirtiness, their corruption. They’ve got their heads shoved up their butts so far there’s no way out once they are caught and just imagine the collateral damage from this deep corruption, it will be a bigger scandal than BC Rail as murder is part of this equation.

  12. Just a Canadian Citizen says:

    Yes on the DNA front. Thanks for sharing the news article from BC Robin, about time Canada got into the resources available to solve “cold cases”. I do not agree with whoever is going on and on about someone being mentally ill in this case. The case of the man on the greyhound that murdered and yes began eating a young man on way to Winnipeg, I believe, also the fella that killed many young people at a house party in Calgary for no reason, their names have been revealed. I believe that Lindsay was murdered at the “house for sale” prior to any showing. Perhaps the BC Rail Scandal does indeed have something to do with it. I do think that unfortunately she got involved with the wrong people that were involved and probably still are with illegal activities. I do not believe any of the information out in the media from the SPD. I believe there are many that know but have no where to go to get this solved. I do not live in BC and I never will. JUSTICE FOR LINDSAY BUZIAK.

  13. Robin says:

    The SPD was able to collect some DNA other than Lindsay’s no doubt. Why have we heard absolutely nothing from them concerning this new technique that has been available for at least 2 yrs now, maybe longer. Is that not suspicious in itself? Are they afraid of who the genetic genealogy might portray? This could be very significant in getting Lindsay’s murder solved don’t you think.

    • mike says:

      The last thing I would ever want to do is implicate the police in obstructing justice. I don’t yet believe that they are, but I know for a fact they aren’t doing their job to the standard a reputable PD must.

      • Rosanne says:

        Then what the heck are the Saanich police doing? They are inflicting unnecessary pain and suffering on a VICTIM’S family. If this is deliberate it is beyond disgusting! Every second this continues it is harming their reputation and turning off good caring people and officers. The Saanich police along with the whole food chain is causing damage to themselves. They would need a flamethrower at this point to clean up the damage they have already done. They definately want to be seen as ignorant and incompetent and NOT as an organization out to harm the innocent.

      • Dennis says:

        So, if you know “for a fact” that the PD are not up to standard, than why can’t you see the obstruction? I mean, if you and I were that incompetent to solve this COLD CASE than shouldn’t it have been forwarded to the “experts” who can? Or is it just ego and narcissism that rules the incompetent obstructor? This murder file has found its way through many, many investigators, yet NOT ONE has the ability to put it together. All us detectives at 101 are 100x more competent than any of the losers at SPD. Just saying…. go in with your EYES WIDE OPEN cause the corruption and dirty coppers is incomprehensible.

  14. Svetlana says:

    If anyone has a car that belonged to the Zailo’s (bought it second-hand) or maybe the Zailo’s even still have them in all their past cars in their possession. If anyone can track any of the cars that they used at the time of the murder, then I would urge the police to locate those cars and have them inspected for dried blood stains with special machines. Even employees at ICBC may have access to all the info on their cars. And look if they possible sold anything soon after the murder.

    I can’t believe little old me is giving out advice to a whole police department!

  15. Juscause says:

    Just a thought….. you could always follow Mr Horgan’s lead and reach out to Ryan Reynolds…

  16. ConnectTheDots says:

    Knock Knock. Who’s there? Why thank you for asking SPD. It’s us, the taxpayers. The people
    you work for. We didn’t think you could hear us. Scott Green? Actually no, he works for us too.
    We would like to know a few things but let’s start with the two most confounding scenarios. Number one: Why would you, the people we pay to solve crimes, eliminate the most likely suspects thereby protecting them from prosecution? You haven’t arrested anyone else a decade later so what could have possibly justified clearing the people who are text book prime suspects? Number two: How is it possible, after a decade plus, that this case was not declared a cold case years ago let alone now . I mean, you do want to solve this case, right? That is what we are paying you to do. We are trying to believe that you are on the up and up but boy you are making it hard. With the movement to defund the police picking up support, I can’t help but think that this is a prime example of why that is probably going to happen sooner than later. We aren’t feeling that our tax dollars are being well spent here at all. Nothing is getting accomplished and the steps you have taken are not the kind that solves cases. In fact, it looks more like a cover up. Maybe private investigators rather than police that seem to have lost their focus on who they work for. That’s right, it is not Scott Green. Speaking of Scott. Where has he been? He hasn’t been seen or heard. Is that because his head is buried in the sand? If so, he should know that we are watching and also thinking that he too is not fulfilling his role. Well, it’s been nice chatting. We have so many other questions but look forward to you explaining how it is that an organization that is being paid to solve this crime appears to be trying their best to bury it as deep as they can. Just saying……. I sincerely hope you can clear this up for us because it is looking like we need to open up another investigation.

  17. eight says:

    The notion that no one has been charged in this case because a perpetrator is mentally incompetent is a non-starter. Clearly, there was a conspiracy here, and while one of the conspirators may try an insanity defence it would never fly for the other(s). In any event, the court makes the ruling on whether an individual is criminally responsible; not the investigating authority. One of the concepts in determining whether an individual was competent to a degree to bear criminal responsibility is whether that individual took rational steps to avoid being discovered as a guilty party. In other words, knew it was wrong and acted to avoid detection before and after. There can be no argument that didn’t happen here. The police in fact say it was well and carefully planned.

    As for the BC Rail affair, there are some interesting connections. And if Lindsay strayed into an area where she was perceived as a threat, it’s conceivable she was targeted as a result. As I’ve previously posted here there were undoubtedly some very nervous parties watching that trial (and the connected ALR trial) and wondering what would be revealed if everything was thrown on the table by defence counsel. And the identity of secret witnesses was being fiercely contested (all the way to the federal Supreme Court) at the time. If Lindsay was sworn to secrecy by the Crown, would she keep that promise, even from her father? Even if going as far as telling him she had seen something she shouldn’t have and couldn’t tell him right then, but would some day?

    It is very clear that government officials were desperate to end those trials before VIPs were called to the stand and chips started to fly. Desperate enough that the very arm of government responsible for ensuring the law is upheld actually broke laws to craft a deal with defence counsel to shut things down.

    That deal sequenced prerequisite events such that by the time the government’s obligation under the agreement (the release agreement) was due, the Deputy Finance Minister no longer had the authority to sign it. But he signed it anyway. That is illegal by way of contravening a provincial statute.

    In addition, and more consequential, the deal itself constituted an inducement to plead. That contravened the Criminal Code of Canada.

    Don’t take my word for it; here’s what former Attorney General Geoff Plant wrote in a public letter to former Solicitor General John Van Dongen about the deal.

    “What is clear is that there was no legally binding deal. There couldn’t be. The waiver of recovery of fees was not and could not be an inducement to plead guilty . As a matter of law they were not connected.”

    But the October 14, 2010 agreement was a legally binding agreement directly connecting the guilty pleas to the waiver. If Mr. Plant is correct, the law has been violated. By the Ministry of Attorney General.

    If the government was anxious enough about the trials to actually break the law to end them prematurely, what might someone waiting in fear of what would come out of full testimony have done?

    • Svetlana says:

      I am not sure why See Closely brought up the subject of suspects not arrested because they are mentally incompetent. I don’t get this aspect in this case. At first I thought he/she meant the police incompetency. Suspects all seem to have “normal” jobs.

      What I do get is that the family is involved and they must be arrested but start with the BF, and I am sure many people who know them as acquaintances even suspect them. Who knows, maybe they even commented on Youtube or here but could not give out that they know them.

      • see closely says:

        SPD is not advertizing what do they know.Therefore anybody can do it for them as I do, as I suspect that is what is happening.

      • see closely says:

        By the way,Svetlana.Nobody really knows who was or not -arrested.We only know that they were not yet charged

        • Wyatt says:

          SC…. here’s how the Charter works…. you’re NOT arrested or Under Arrest unless you’ve been charged! So, no one has/has not been arrested because NO ONE has been charged. Do your homework!

          • eight says:

            In British Columbia, the police do not lay criminal charges. They investigate and recommend charges to Crown Counsel for approval and prosecution.

            They do detain and/or arrest suspects who have not yet been charged as a part of the investigative process; usually with, but frequently without, a warrant.

            • see closely says:

              That’s right eight.I guess Wyatt is ignoring it.

            • see closely says:

              eight!
              It is somewhat similar in USA.

              Just recently the special prosecutor in USA condemned the obviously partizan and biased prosecutor who refused to charge actor J.Smollet when he lied about supposed attack on himself.

              Perhaps we need a special prosecutor in BC regarding Lindsay Buziak case.

            • Wyatt says:

              Being detained and arrested are two very different procedures. Detained, as an example, is when your being assessed at a traffic stop for drinking and driving and then … you can not be “unreasonably” detained for any length of time. Being arrested means the police have a warrant and you have a charge pending. So again, no one has been “arrested” because no one is being charged for Lindsay’s murder.

          • see closely says:

            Police can pick-you up for questioning without you being charged.I guess that you may know that,right?

            • Wyatt says:

              Well, you being am American (so you claim) would explain that you do not understand our Canadian laws. The police can ask you to participate in their investigation and you may oblige with an “interview” but if you are not being charged with a criminal offence, than you are FREE to leave and if you don’t know this right, than you are entitled to a lawyer during this “interview”…. criminals exercise this RIGHT on a daily basis, they refuse to “cooperate” in police investigations all the time. You have to be charged in order to be arrested. And yes, police recommend charges to Crown and it is Crown that approves charges, at least you got that right.

              • see closely says:

                Wyatt.Grow-up.I never said that I am an American for the simple reason that I am not.However,the investigating process in Canada and USA are very similar.You would know it if you read here and then sometimes.

            • Robin says:

              If someone gets a lawyer the lawyer can shut any questioning down. Is that a fact?

              • eight says:

                You do not have to be charged to be arrested. The Criminal code at s495 provides for it:

                https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-495.html

                The BC government website discusses it here:

                https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/justice/criminal-justice/bcs-criminal-justice-system/if-you-are-accused-of-a-crime/if-you-are-arrested

                David Eby, our current Attorney General, published this handbook when he was with the BC Civil Liberties Association:

                Click to access 2009-BCCLA-Handbook-Arrest-Handbook-English.pdf

                At any rate, it is really a moot point, because no one has been arrested or charged in relation to Lindsay’s murder. You can safely bet that Saanich Police will be the first to shout it from the hilltops if either occurs. Good thing none of us are holding our breath on that.

                • see closely says:

                  Of course,you don’t know that.anybody was ever detained as an suspect.You are just quesing as all of us are quesing .

                • Wyatt says:

                  You do understand the difference between an indictable offence and a summary? Right? AND arresting a criminal (indictable offence) without a warrant is when the criminal is caught with the smoking gun or his presence at the crime scene obviously portrays his involvement in the INDICTABLE offence. In Lindsay’s case, there have been no arrests because there were no obvious killers present at the time of her murder, at least according to the Stupid Police. So ANY arrests at this stage would HAVE to be by warrant…..

                  • eight says:

                    Wyatt, I am aware of the difference better than you can understand.

                    Here’s what you said to See Closely:

                    “SC…. here’s how the Charter works…. you’re NOT arrested or Under Arrest unless you’ve been charged! So, no one has/has not been arrested because NO ONE has been charged. Do your homework!”

                    That statement is incorrect. You can in fact be arrested before you are charged.

                    My post, in part, said:

                    “They do detain and/or arrest suspects who have not yet been charged as a part of the investigative process; usually with, but frequently without, a warrant.”

                    That statement is correct.

                    In this particular case, especially at this stage, you are right. It is very unlikely anyone will be arrested without at least a warrant. But early on, there was potential for arrest without charge or warrant under some scenarios.

                    For example, when the police took Jason Zailo and CO in separately for questioning the night of the murder, what do you think would have happened if either or both of them had said, “No thanks, we’re going to play hockey and then go out for a beer.”?

                    • Wyatt says:

                      Detained… for the purposes of investigating Lindsay’s murder… that’s the process for killer boyfriend JaSIN and a Oatman at the time, not arrested! If they did go play hockey and not provide a statement then they would have been charged with obstruction and arrested on the spot.
                      And the need to copy/paste past postings is redundant.
                      I think we’re done here, clearly your with SC and are less than an advocate for Lindsay.

                    • eight says:

                      Wyatt, I will decide when I’m done (always subject to the moderator’s editing of course), thank you.

                      I notice you have a propensity to toss insults at people when advancing your arguments. Now you suggest I am “less than an advocate for Lindsay”. Another insult.

                      I would invite you to stop. It does nothing to further the cause.

              • Wyatt says:

                Correct. In fact they will be adamant in telling the criminal to “say nothing.”

  18. Eve says:

    One thing that puzzles me is how JZ was cleared so quick. That’s just not even possible! How could they possibly clear all the Zailo’s so fast. That can’t be. And why only the Zailo’s?
    Next- what if the text messages that came from Lindsay’s phone were not made by Lindsay? The police seem to have based their timeline of the murder according to those text messages from Jason and also the pocket dial. I think that was all part of the plot to fool SPD.
    Why is it said that Lindsay went home to change before going to the showing? Who said that? I doubt very much that she would do that. The only person that said that seems to be Jason. Very odd. Did SPD confirm this? That should tell them a lot right there. If she did not go home was Jason following a script?
    Did Lindsay even have enough time to go home before going to the house?
    If Linday drove directly from Sauce to 1702 de Sousa Place. That is approx a 20 minute drive. They paid the bill at 4:24 pm. The showing was supposed to take place at 5:30 wouldn’t Lindsay go to the house right away to make sure everything looked ok, lights on etc. That would definitely be what 99.9% of real estate people would do.
    SPD say the lockbox was accessed at 5:29. Not necessarily. It would be so easy to make it look like that. Whoever planned Lindsay’s murder had lots of time to set this up to make a fake timeline for the SPD to create. Isn’t it odd that the LE assume that she was murdered between 5:38 and 5:41 since she didn’t open Jason’s last text message, and because she made a pocket dial. That is not necessarily so there either.
    In the last text she sent to Jason, she wrote “the Mexicans are here”, but no people close to Lindsay except Jason said she referred to the potential buyers as “the Mexicans”. What does “the Mexicans” really mean? My guess is it is part of the script meant to plant confusion or a distraction into people’s or LE’s head. Look away from the obvious. Another Script for Jason to follow is more like it.
    This is what I’m thinking…Lindsay arrived early and 1 or 2 people were already waiting for her in the house? What if owner who was at house around this time was involved and let the murderer/s in? That would be possible since there is/was already connections between the homeowner and Jason Zailo’s family. They had lots of room to build the script to their perfection. Those connections are just way too convenient if you ask me.
    Whoever killed Lindsay could have taken her phone and sent fake text messages to make it appear like she was still alive at 5:30. What if they were trying to make a false timeline to throw the investigation off from the get go? The murderer would have had time to clean up, change clothes and leave before Jason had to start his losing performance. If it happened this way the killers, the ones who are suspected by most people ( Zailo’s) except by the SPD may have been ready to leave by 5:45 and out of the area before Jason even called 911 at 6 pm. I think this is more likely what transpired. I think that meeting outside at 5:30 was a ruse just to make the scene look like something it really wasn’t at all.
    What about the couple that was witnessed walking to the house around 5:30? Maybe they were there to make it seem like the murder happened at the SPD’s suggested time and possibly make LE look for two people who don’t really exist? The person who greeted them could have very well been another woman with dark hair, and not Lindsay at all. Someone paid by you know who? Also… at that time of the year and day, it would have been dark outside, so how were those witnesses able to provide such a precise description of the dress, see everyone’s hair colour, and also see the papers on Lindsay’s car? That seems kind of strange that they could see so clearly in the dark. Was that part of the script too? Who were those witnesses? What if it was made up and there was actually no couple who arrived at the house around that time?
    Could the conspirators have paid witnesses to tell a false story.
    What do you think about all this? Surely the SPD has thought of all this. What if the witnesses’ testimonies are just part of the ruse.
    I have been thinking this out as I go along, I have just reread this and I think this version is closer to the truth. Does anyone else see what I am seeing?

    • Svetlana says:

      I feel that she wasn’t murdered at that time the police say. I feel something happened right after the lunch. Was she murdered soon afterwards on her way somewhere? Would the murderers, if they were any of the circle that Lindsay knew, be so bold as to actually murder at the house when so many people knew about the “showing” UNLESS they were hired strangers?
      But whatever the case, JASON is behind this murder. PLEASE PUT HIM IN JAIL. I hate looking at his fugly face when I google his name.

      12.5 years is too long to be free and prancing about like nothing happened.

    • Wyatt says:

      Eve…. I would say your theory is very accurate to the truth and supportive to what the rest of us have concluded long ago. The only factor that was void of mention was the corruption and dirty cops in the Satanic Police because without their sinister conduct this case would have been solved looooong time ago. This is the sole reason that justice has failed Lindsay. The dirty/corrupt cops of Saanich continue their road of impunity and as long as that is enabled then Lindsay’s killers will go unpunished.

    • Rosanne says:

      I keep getting stuck on every move on the day of the murder just seems planned. Over planned even. I have to agree with what Dr. Phil said” When you involve a bunch of people in a conspiracy, someone is going to talk.” Then I think about why nobody, including police want to say anything about this case. This brings me to pull in some of the stranger parts of this case. In my opinion the main suspect in the planning of this crime seems to have some connection to police and higher level drug people. Both of these groups want to avoid each other. Obviously with the way drugs flourish in this country the police are not doing a good job of policing the top end of the supply chain. May have even been told to back off. On the other side drug people want to avoid the police and any chance of their activities or money being interrupted. People involved and helping this murder happen have obvious reasons for keeping quiet. The other more innocent players want to stay out of the vision of both groups. Neither group seems to play by any rules, so the danger of getting their attention would keep my mouth shut. I just can not imagine how scared a witness would be when they have been convinced that this crime is not being solved, people are getting away with murder and it never is going to be solved. Adding their murder along with their loved ones wouldn’t be solved either. When the police treat the victims family the way they have, I would not trust them at all. With the quick clearing of the family, again I would think they have pull and influence with the police. That rarely happens and the police have even gone so far as to not clear proven wrongfully convicted people. There is some special treatment on this case. I also wonder if that move has also eliminated any chance of a conviction of beyond a reasonable doubt. Prosecutors only take cases they have a chance of winning. On the drug side I think the connection has been exploited and made to look bigger than it was. There may have been a business connection that was being protected but any chance of that getting out and causing trouble would have also resulted in the murder of the careless person who let it be leaked. Oh wait, aren’t they connected to the police, maybe back off of them. I am sure there are people out there that would want to talk but they have no safe way or place to do that. Another reason this case should be moved into other cleaner hands. These are just my opinions based on what I have read about this murder. Interested in what others with more knowledge have to say.

    • bubba barber says:

      eve indeed a fresh look is what we need, You make some worthy suggestions that need to be looked at further. It is my believe from the beginning this has connections to the b.c. rail scandal. keep up the good work.

      • Robin says:

        Well the liberals sure have lots to hide from don’t they. We still are in the dark about what and who was on the take in B.C. Rail. Why?
        Government is counting on the people to forget all about the scummy B.C. Rail scoundrels, DRUGS in the Legislature, Jas Mohan Singh Bains phone being tapped which taped calls he and his cousin Dave Basi who was an aide to finance minister Gary Collins and Bob Virk who was an aide to Transportation Minister Judith Reid. Imagine that!!! BUSTED. Jasmohan Singh Bains actually went to jail for 9 yrs, but Dave and Bobby only got house arrest and guess what they plead guilty to breach of trust and accepting a benefit. Those liberals just can’t get it through their heads about accepting benefits can they? But hey we want to be stupid and play nice so let us taxpayers pick up their lawyer fees even though they plead guilty! C’mon people of B.C. you don’t mind do you? It was only 6 million dollars, yah, yah, yah, you read that right. They plead guilty but the people of B.C. wanted to pay the legal fees for what talking drugs on our time, grow ops, accepting benefits, leaking government information?

        The pair were charged with fraud and breach of trust in connection with the $1-billion privatization sale of B.C. Rail to CN in 2003, which culminated in a police raid on the legislature in December that year amid allegations the men leaked government information to one of three bidders.

        TWISTED. What could the liberal government and now the NDP possibly have to coverup? Why the lockdown still. What don’t the powers that be want us to know? Who does what? Just who is connected to who in Victoria? Who is making money nefariously? What did Lindsay Buziak know that she needed to be taken out? OR were the Zailo’s extremely insulted that Lindsay wanted to be rid of JaSIN or was it that she wanted no part of their illegally drug filled, money laundering world, and boy wonder’s feelings were hurt so Mommy to the rescue? Who and what was the reason Lindsay was silenced? B.C. Rail-POSSIBLY- Zailo’s criminal world/JaSIN’s injured nuts? Likely? OR BOTH? You think there’s a B.C. Rail connection Bubba? Gee do ya think? Somehow I think it’s all connected.

        https://lindsaybuziakmurder.com/timeline-of-project-everywhichway-bc-rail-scandal/

        https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2011/12/27/BCRail/

        https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2010/03/29/GordonBCRail/

        Why is so hard to get arrests for the murder of a 24 year old girl? Just what will be exposed once the cover is lifted?

    • ConnectTheDots says:

      I agree with you 100%. It’s crystal clear to a lot of us. One of the strangest parts of this heinous murder is how the whole Zailo family was cleared so early in the investigation obviously before they could prove that someone else had committed this crime. They cleared the most likely, according to their own standards, suspects. Those closest to her, even the boyfriend she was talking about leaving. You. Simply. Do. Not. Do. That. I think your theory is very close to what happened if not exactly what happened. I also think that the clients of Lindsay’s that were conveniently out of town when she tried to call them to confirm their referral should be looked at too. Did the SPD do that? I wouldn’t bet on it. All they would have had to do is change the outgoing message on their answering machine. The Zailo’s could have easily pulled this off given their connections as seen with the house that was chosen for the crime to take place. The whole family was in the neighborhood too at the time of the murder. I mean, come on. Why on earth were the Zailo’s cleared? Also, given the time the lunch tab was paid I don’t believe Lindsay would have planned to have to go home and change. She was already professionally dressed being the professional she was. The lunch ended at exactly the right time for her to head over to the house and get things ready. Are you kidding me that she would have planned to then race home and then hopefully get to the showing on time? I think Jason said that to give extra credibility to their false timeline. She could not have been murdered at the house earlier as she was at home changing. The only problem with that is that it makes no sense at all. But, heh, it’s hard to get all of the little details of a murder to line up perfectly and be 100% credible. In fact, it is impossible. There are so many such holes in this case it leaks like a sieve.
      In yet, all the SPD can think to do is clear the most likely suspects and pick on the victims father as he seeks justice for his beloved daughter.

    • Rosanne says:

      Why couldn’t the missing fence pieces and the open sliding door Mr. Oatman went in, which is assumed to be the exit for the murders, have been his/her/ or their entrance to the house as well?

    • Svetlana says:

      About the lockbox. Was the key put back in the lockbox after the door is opened? Was the key there when Jason was trying to “BREAK IN OR SOMETHING” or did Lindsay keep it with her? How do the police know the last time it was accessed – is there a computer in there that shows each time it gets accessed? Not sure how it works.

  19. Robin says:

    Hello See Closely
    Could you explain what you mean by this please.

    Perhaps one of the killers is not possible to be charged of murder because of mental incompetency and legalities with both SPD and AG office.

    • see closely says:

      AG office might be prevented by mental health act to proceed with the charges if the suspect is deemed unable to be responsible to reply to any charges presented by AG offiice,Therefore, the Ag office is stymied by the mental act that is supposed to prevent mentally incompetents from being charged.The psychiatrist physicians in the charge of such person are thus prevented from testifying to criminal investigation officers about the relevant mental patient.Thus!No charges are possible by the AG office.Not fair to murdered person and his family but such is the law!

      • Robin says:

        Thanks for the information. However I would sure appreciate if a lawyer could tell us if this is even possible. I just can’t imagine that there would be any system ever that would just allow sleeping dogs to lie after such a crime/sin as murder. How could that information possibly be held back from family? What about their rights? The public can’t be left in the dark either. There is enough corruption in Canada let alone have such a loophole as having mental health issue shutting a murder right down. I sure don’t want to live in a society like that. People still have a right to know what goes on when lives are taken no matter who lost the program enough to commit MURDER. If that really was the case then I’m suffering bbaaadddlllleeee from mental illness so watch out Zailo’s. I’m feeling rather Kkraaaaazzeeeeee.

        • see closely says:

          Do you remember when that little girl(can’t remember her name but she was used by her mother for competing in some kinds of shows impersonating the adult women-pretty sick in my opinion) in USA was murdered and one family member was sort-of accused of that deed but everything was hushed-up,likely to some mental legality.Perhaps this should show that it is certainly being possible.

          • Robin says:

            Jon Benet Ramsay
            Imo it was her brother. Like Lindsay there can only be so many people that could/want or have a reason to murder someone. It’s definitely not as complicated as cops make it. I think u r correct in your comparison here. Both murders indicate cover ups for different reasons. Lindsay’s is more nefarious than Jon Benet’s. I think Jon Benet was hit on the head by her brother in his immature rage and the parents are covering for him. It appears to me with Lindsay where there is smoke there is fire and 98% of the people all see the same guilty party. The Zailo’s. What’s that funny saying? If it looks like a dick and it behaves like a dick it’s probably a dick. Something like that. Or was it a duck. Whatever u get my point.

            • Rosanne says:

              Go look this case up. Male dna NOT belonging to any male in her family was found on her body. Her brother successfully sued for the hell he was put through over this case. He was 8 when it happened and just couldn’t physically have done it. If you think her parents finished her off, she was alive and scratching as the rope tightened. But you did find another case where the police refused to declare the family innocent, when they knew the family was.

              • Robin says:

                Just to finish up about JBR. I realize the brother was young but I suspect he hit her over the head with the nearby flashlight. He may have been pissed off she ate some of his pineapple. The parents I suppose were busy all night setting the scene. I don’t know about the DNA. Who knows where they found that. When you have money it’s incredible who’s for sell. Anyway enough about that poor young girl. Sorry Jeff just wanted to say that.
                It’s really surprising what a person can buy with $$. Anything really I suppose. Someone has been paid big time to shut down Lindsay’s murder investigation that is for sure. We have incompetent police, shifty politicians, criminals, money launderers, drug dealers, real estate scoundrels here. Lots of pond scum to shut down a murder. Truth will come out because we are not letting go you rotten POS. Lots of dogs with bones here and some pretty smart and honest ones obviously. A shame we can’t get honesty from the SPD and our overpaid on the take politicians.

          • ConnectTheDots says:

            With regards to the murder of Jon Benet Ramsey the brother’s possible involvement may have been kept under the radar as the Ramsay’s were also well connected. He was underage but not in any way at any time considered to be mentally ill.

      • Rosanne says:

        Not guilty by reason of insanity. This is just not true. People are charged you just can not find them guilty in Canada without mens rea-“the intention or knowledge of wrongdoing that constitutes part of a crime, as opposed to the action or conduct of the accused.” They just let a man out of an institution that started eating a person on a bus, now if that isn’t insane, I don’t know what would be. They did not hold a trial for him because they knew he didn’t have the mental awareness to commit the crime but they did not just thurst him back on the public.

      • ConnectTheDots says:

        Hogwash. There is no way that a clean justice system would allow the perpetrators of this really awful murder continue on as if nothing had happened.

  20. Svetlana says:

    Problem is that police aren’t talking. They know a lot of things but they aren’t apparently saying anything to anyone, not even to the family of Lindsay. I am not sure just how many officers even have access to this case. They can’t just not say how they are progressing. What kind of system is this? To leave family members in the dark is incomprehensible.
    Who are these clients that were referred to the couple? Did they know Zailos on a personal level or even then owner of Camosun?

    I feel that Lindsay would not have gone into the house with those people without Jason being there.

    I may have asked before but I don’t understand if they both went to the restaurant in separate cars from their home? Was there one car and Jason drove her back home possibly? Their neighbours- didn’t police question them to see what they’ve seen and heard?

    • see closely says:

      Your first and last question is self answering in the context of both.SPD is not talking.They must have some reason,would they not?Perhaps one of the killers is not possible to be charged of murder because of mental incompetency and legalities with both SPD and AG office.I hope that eventually all will be revealed and the case brought to its right end.

  21. RIP Lindsey says:

    This murder was PERSONAL! RIP dear sweet Lindsey.

  22. Wyatt says:

    Plea for help with cold case…”
    Police appeal for help with four-year-old cold case……

    This case was posted on CASTANET (local news media) and my immediate response was, why is a 4 year old case classified as “cold” yet Lindsay’s 12 ½ Year Old case is not?
    Why Mr. Eby? Why Mayor Haynes? Why Premier Horgan? Why Elizabeth May?
    Why, why, why? So many powerful people to ask that question.
    Well, I’ll tell ya why. Because the Satanic PD are so corrupt and dirty that they’ve got a slug of powerful people covering their arses! What does it take to expose the scandal and dirty cops?

    • ConnectTheDots says:

      Yes, WHY??? This case is so _ucked up it makes you sick. The SPD need to be held accountable for their inactions as well as some of their actions with regards to this case. Why the hell was this case not declared a cold case years ago!

  23. Justice for Lyndsey says:

    The mom definitely is the mastermind of this murder. She probably discovered some things while working at Shirley’s real estate company and angry about helping her in her real estate career. I saw a picture of Jason with Satanist t shirt on and flashing satanic hand signals. satanism reaches up into police depts and district attorneys office and I fear that you will never get justice until you go outside this city. I am from United States and you need to go to the equivalent of our FBI and hope to find a man of integrity and hasn’t been corrupted by satanism. This case can be solved but NOT locally.

  24. Jeff Buziak, father says:

    There was video in use at BC Ferries but unfortunately Sandwich police were too late on the draw and video was not kept in memory long enough to wait for a lame police agency employing a lollygag strategy. They also misplaced their manual, Detective Work for Dummies 101, at that time and weren’t aware you could order a new one online that came with 2 free badges and detective certificates as a bonus. In the early stages of Lindsay’s murder investigation Sandwich police were trying to figure out how to operate their newly purchased CVSA machine thinking it would solve Lindsay’s murder while they remained focused on their main careers outside Sandwich police.

  25. Denea Jo Roark Bagherian says:

    When the people were boarding the ferry, was there a security videotape of ferry passengers? Other passengers on ferry maybe with tourist photos that would include these people?
    Also if a ferry was taken to the city then there must have been a car rental \ how else would they get from the arriving ferry terminal to the real estate property? Car rental
    Files should still be available.

    • see closely says:

      No.There were a masses of people.Many hundreds, sometimes thousands of passengers and car riders that went through the ferries between Vancouver and Victoria.There was no video cameras regularly used in those times.(2000-2010)Besides,people had no idea that murderous attempt was in process so if any accidental captures of people on ferry was certainly not kept or forwarded to police after the happening of murder .Car rental-time dependent-would be very limited as most passengers would be either picked-up or used public transfer.Is there a public security videos on ferries in New York to Manhattan Island?How relevant it would be to any crime?

    • see closely says:

      In this area the ferry runs start at 5 am and the last runs from 9pm..It is almost 2 hours crossing and hundreds of cars and its drivers and foot passengers are able to mingle freely on the board
      which is over three levels.It is not a dingy local operation that may be like in your area.

      • Robin says:

        Yes and furthermore these scumbags who were all aware of what was happening would have been observing closely ever step they would be taking. I’m sure they purposely avoided a car rental for the very purpose of not needing unnecessary exposure when they could simply be driven around by the local losers inconspicuously which is why someone was able to determine loser Vid picked them up at ferry and kept phone and maybe them overnight on Feb. 01, 2008.

        • Svetlana says:

          I wonder if any of those associated criminals that are in jail have access to internet and phone. Maybe someone can reach out to them and see what they know.

    • Charlie chan says:

      The ferries are huge vessels with multiple car decks and multiple passenger decks. Easy to evade any ctv cameras by simply staying in your car. The phone travelling from Vancouver to Victoria the night before could be another deflection similar to the “Mexicans” did it. I’ve been here since Jeff’s first blog and I think we’re close. Need a good media person to follow it through.

  26. eight says:

    A Google search indicates consensus that the average home showing lasts for about fifteen minutes. Jason Zailo, an experienced realtor, would know that.

    But Mr. Zailo didn’t leave SHC until the same time he knew the showing was to start, texting that he would arrive in ten to fifteen minutes “or so”, despite apparently not knowing how to get there.

    It is reasonable to conclude that he had no intention of arriving until after the showing.

    When he did finally arrive after twice giving Lindsay his estimated time of arrival, the logical action would be for him to let her know he was there. “Here.”, “Outside now.”, “Should I come in?” Something along those lines. Instead he did nothing. Why no communication upon arrival?

    When he turned into De Sousa Place he says he saw one of the “clients” (re)entering the house. There can be no innocent reason for not announcing his arrival at that time. In fact, since he knew Lindsay expected him to be there, it was his duty to check in and let her, and more importantly the “clients”, know he was on site. Even if he just then waited outside.

    With the benefit of hindsight we know that Lindsay had already been killed by the time he arrived. But he (if he’s innocent of the plot) didn’t know that. So having let her down once, he let her down again. Both times deliberate actions.

    It is a fact that if Jason Zailo is innocent of the plot, and that if he had shown up on time to let the “clients” Lindsay was concerned about know that he was there, she would not have been murdered. It is also a fact that if he is innocent of the plot and if he had gone directly to the house to announce his arrival, he would almost certainly have interrupted the killers’ escape.

    So Jason Zailo is guilty. Of either conspiracy to murder, or extreme irresponsibility.

    And the Saanich police are guilty. Of two mutually exclusive public statements. They can’t say that the murder was very well planned and organized, and at the same time say that it could only have happened because of the extremely irresponsible (non) actions of one individual.

    Because that’s what they’re saying by not considering Jason Zailo as a suspect. They can’t have it both ways, and it’s about time they stopped hiding in the water they’ve muddied.

    • ConnectTheDots says:

      Exactly. The SPD were counting on the populace being too busy and self absorbed with their own lives to give a darn about the vicious slaying of this innocent young woman. They were counting on people being not too smart when it comes to noticing all of the inconsistencies and “coincidences” and strange behavior. They were wrong on all counts.

    • Svetlana says:

      Jason said Lindsay went home to change after the restaurant lunch. Police must’ve checked that and thought to be true. Was it confirmed by them? Why would she have gone to change – is it to pick up someone to bring to the showing? Isn’t it funny how Shirley arrived to the murder house on foot. And how do we really know that the wife decided to go with the husband on the last minute? It could’ve been only the male that showed up and that was the plan all along – that the woman was not going to be there. Those witnesses are key people to recognizing the 2 women there outside the house. Do they know one was Shirley but couldn’t prove it to the police?

      He lied about him and Lindsay not having problems in their relationship. Her friends and father knew they were having issues. So why should he hide this? Another way to save his ***.

      Also pictures don’t lie. In the earlier pics he had sort of a tamer look but that look later on turned to something like he wanted to kill someone look.

      Hopefully this year is the year that the police open their eyes and arrest him!

      • see closely says:

        Really Svetlana?Could it have been because many were accusing him of murder?How would you react if you were accused of doing such thing?

        • Svetlana says:

          I would definitely say the truth especially when someone is murdered, or at least say what a normal couple might say “We had our ups and downs”. He’s hiding something so it doesn’t come out during an interrogation- why were you not having a good relationship, what was happening, what made her mad, what made you mad, what did you argue about, etc. He wouldn’t be able to answer them because it was about something illegal! Seems like you are defending the guilty party!

  27. Jeff Buziak, father says:

    I often point out poor leadership at Saanich police but I stand corrected; No Leadership a lot of the time at Saanich police. This is very common at the play protectors of Saanich.

    I will be away from the office until Monday August 10, 2020 and not checking my e-mail or phone messages. During my absence, Acting Chief Gary Schenk will be in charge and can be reached at 250-475-4374 or via e-mail at gschenk@saanichpolice.ca

    You may also obtain assistance from our Executive Assistant, Ms. Kerri Tuggle, at 250-475-4366 or via e-mail at ktuggle@saanichpolice.ca

    Scott Green
    Chief Constable

    Everyone there, in reality, are all acting because no one knows what the hell they are doing or supposed to be doing. How about solve a murder then take holidays?

    12 years – Nothing!

    No Results – No Respect

    • Svetlana says:

      I don’t know how it works with police but I have a feeling that Lindsay’s case is under lock and key with select people having access or at least administration knows who accesses it each time. This needs to be looked at by an outsider. I feel they missed some angles. Not enough backtracking of all people circulating in Lindsay’s life. Give the data to your average Tom on the street and he could’ve solved this in a jiffy!

    • Jeff Buziak, father says:

      THE SAANICH WAY

      The Chief at Saanich police is supposed to lead, organize, set goals and achieve results. Well, we have had 4 at Saanich police since Lindsay’s murder and not one of them have achieved any results.

      “A team leader is someone who provides guidance, instruction, direction and leadership to a group of individuals (the team) for the purpose of achieving a key result or group of aligned results. … When a team leader motivates a team, group members can function in a goal oriented manner.”

      Unfortunately for the citizens of Saanich, at Saanich police you become Chief from an antiquated system based on an old boys club within the organization that includes the Mayor who is directed by police and head of the police board. Saanich police chief is a pushed to the top by their old boys club regardless of accomplishments or merit. Its all about being the best boy in the old boys club. Its about high pay, its about lots of time off, its about socializing, its about a lucrative retirement package and its about status. At Saanich its about all the things a chief of police/leader is not supposed to be. The chiefs job at Saanich never goes out to an open competition. The old boys club makes sure of that and the Mayor supports that except for Mayor Atwell who the police tried to run out of town and were eventually successful at having him replaced with the current compliant Mayor Whats His Name Frederick Something.

      The current chief has been away from the job almost as much as he has been holding his handed to him position. It doesn’t seem to end and communication is non-existent as arrogance overrules good governance with this current chief and Mayor duo.

      The result of this fiasco is a police agency maybe a little better than a glorified security firm with few goals, little leadership and NO RESULTS. They probably know how to catch speeders. Lindsay’s unsolved murder drags on and on while leadership take constant holidays and time off leaving the police force to function in a fiddle dee dum manner accomplishing very little but trying always to ‘look good”. Lindsay’s murder is left to a trucking company owner who is a millionaire real estate investor and his side kick who is a View royal councilor. Where is the chief of saanich police?

      “I will be away from the office until Monday August 10, 2020 and not checking my e-mail or phone messages. During my absence, Acting Chief Gary Schenk will be in charge and can be reached at 250-475-4374 or via e-mail at gschenk@saanichpolice.ca

      You may also obtain assistance from our Executive Assistant, Ms. Kerri Tuggle, at 250-475-4366 or via e-mail at ktuggle@saanichpolice.ca

      Scott Green
      Chief Constable

      Guess who the next chief will be?

      Thankfully, Kerry Tuggle is always there and will actually answer the phone with respect and helpfulness. Maybe Kerry should be in charge of Lindsay’s murder? The rest of the crew are hopeless because of the Saanich way they must adhere to or be pushed aside.
      This is “The Saanich Way”

      NO RESULTS – NO RESPECT

      • Faye says:

        I want justice for Lindsey. I check online occasionally to see if anything has progressed. Forgive me if info via the psychic realm seems trivial to you, but I happened to see a very interesting and very believable reading today (link below). I’ve always believed Shirley was responsible, w/Jason & bro in on it.

        Remember, Lindsey said something about ‘something” that she was going to talk about? Reader says: Lindsey discovered Shirley & man “in uniform” having ‘encounter.’ Said she wouldn’t tell. This man is in Pdept and will be there till 2024 and she thinks the case will be solved. I think others ‘know’ therefore that’s why nothing pans out.
        I think the cartel idea is a distraction.

        I’m a crime junkie and I’ve found many readers who’ve verified much of what ensues….this is also one realm that, if someone is guilty, they will fear….as the evidence is out there for those who can “see”….and this is not the first reading that targets Shirley. We know she didn’t like Lindsey, obviously jealous, beautiful, smart, being w/Jason, AND now, w/such info, Lindsey would have even more “over” Shirley.
        It’s painful to see how hard you work to find justice for Lindsey, without results. So many people have come to love her spirit due to your keeping her story alive.
        She’s not forgotten….Keep strong, and safe….believe in justice.

  28. eight says:

    This crime relied on two critical factors. The showing agent had to be Lindsay Buziak, and she had to be alone.

    Police say the crime was well planned. That surely included controlling those factors, because if either were not met Lindsay would not have been there for the taking.

    It could have been a different property, although this one was ideal. It could have been a different time and date, as long as it was the first showing. But it had to be Lindsay, and she had to be alone.

    The number of people who could have controlled those factors is very small.

    • ConnectTheDots says:

      Well said.

    • Robin says:

      Hello 8–there is only one person who had total control of this set up. SZ. Bizarre that her boyfriend was friends with home owner J. De Sousa, what are the chances of that. 1/10…What were the chances the people who referred Lindsay were out of town? 0/10….I’m sure SZ suggested this house to Lindsay immediately. What are the chances JDeSousa’s house had what the couple were looking for? 5/10-6/10….what are the chances of Lindsay being lured to that house with SZ plotting this…10/10….what were the chances of the time being 5:30 pm for the viewing…0/10 because usually a couple from out of town would arrive early Saturday not waste the day when they urgently needed a house. Odd that it was dusk, working people gone, dinner time for most neighbours etc so local traffic would likely be on the light side. What would the chances of Terry Shein being the neighbour who was capable of planning the escape for couple and the murderer/s,? 0/10….3 boards kicked out of fence for painter’s quick access to Joe’s house and then to TS’s yard plus hedge to keep them out of sight…0/10….It just goes on and on like that all day. There is no way that many instances can align itself. What about cop retirement party the very night Lindsay is murdered, experienced cops now off the books.. that’s a 0/10 too. This leads to the only person who had access to all the people, the real estate info and the contacts to plot this out so precisely There is only one person and surely points to SZ (Lily Munster) what about JZ (Herman Munster) taking Lindsay to lunch and then picking up his albi, showing up late, doing all the effd up parking BS. 1/10. What about the bizarre walk Lily and Marilyn (Lindsay) had the on Feb.07 when Lindsay said she was scared of Matt….0/10 there. What were the chances Herman would run immediately upstairs to where Lindsay was on the first time he was in the house….hmmmm I’ll be generous and give Herman a 1/10….There are a bunch more 0/10 when you take into account Terry Shein’s day on Feb.08, he insisted wife drive his car and leave him van…0/10… he asks son to arrive on ferry from Vancouver later in the day instead of his original plan to come earlier in the day..how convenient is that timing, out of the neighbourhood before police get called…0/10….what about Herman having a late lunch then wanting dinner with CO…0/10… no one does that.
      You know that Cohan Oatman is really the key to solving Lindsay’s murder! From what he witnessed in the vehicle with Herman would be so telling. The only way that can’t be pulled out of him is that no one is even trying! I tell ya any good detective would have had that wrapped up in no time. Cohan Oatman has obviously been threatened by the Munsters, bizarre he works with Herman or did work with him. He must get big bonus’s to keep his yap shut. These type of peculiar occurrences are just everywhere that particular weekend. When will we see the Munster’s arrested? Imagine they have had over twelve years now of not being brought to justice. Lily is no spring chicken so the sooner she sets up her home in a cement cell they better. Get with it SOMEONE, SPD are just pathetic and that’s a 10/10 for sure.

    • Svetlana says:

      This is kind of going in a circle. Obviously it is about Lindsay, and don’t real estate agents usually go alone? But in this case, her boyfriend was supposed to have been with her. Perfect person for the plan. He was there, yet he wasn’t and had an alibi to boot and made sure to call the police before he entered the house (“break in OR SOMETHING”). He knew what that something was. Why didn’t he use the missing fence board section? The yard does not appear to be so large. Whose idea was it to climb over instead of using the easy way in. Because it would point fingers at him if he shows he knew about that space in the fence where the criminals got away from and even give them more time to escape just in case. All signs point to the boyfriend. Guilty to the tops. You can see it hiding in his eyes!

  29. Svetlana says:

    Did Lindsay know about Paul Bergshoeff, being the boyfriend of Shirley and how he looked like?

    • lbmurder says:

      Svetlana, Paul was living with Shirley so OF COURSE Lindsay knew Paul and “how he looked like”!

      • Svetlana says:

        This makes it even more suspicious because he also owned a coffee shop/restaurant. What better way to dispense drugs. Where was he on Feb.2.2008? I feel that the police didn’t check him out thoroughly nor question all his staff even his son who also had a drug problem which is no secret as I found a health website where he is shown as rehabilitated. Hopefully they did or will, especially after he fled to the free marijuana capital of Europe, Netherlands.

  30. Svetlana says:

    Out of curiosity, regarding the house: which real estate office had it before Camosun? I read somewhere that it was hard to sell so the owner registered it with Camosun.

  31. Robin says:

    You r hired Mattie Ross. Report for duty at your earliest convenience. Jeff’s still relying on the system I believe.

  32. Mattie Ross says:

    At this point why doesn’t Jeff just pay off someone to take out all the Zalios and call it a day. When you are living in the Wild West it’s time for True Grit.

    • Wyatt says:

      Hey, Mattie…. start a gofundme page, maybe you’ll get some offers.
      Don’t think most of us here haven’t considered that? Men’sraya & activereyes = ones a crime, the other is not.

  33. Svetlana says:

    Why isn’t Dateline The Dream House Mystery working? I recall how Jason was pretending very hard to remember the details.

  34. Robin says:

    Maybe they can make court time for the murder of Lindsay now that Bacon’s almost finished in court. All these people need to be in the slammer for good. Let’s get moving on Lindsay’s murder now.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiZ0LigkcHqAhUVs54KHcM5BMkQ0PADMAJ6BAgKEA4&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbc.ca%2Famp%2F1.5642755&usg=AOvVaw00JKh6yKVHQ3-oRFOgP5FL

  35. Robin says:

    JZ did know Lindsay was upstairs. The evil conspirators had reviewed each of their roles over and over for the 1-2 months planning stage of this vicious attack on Lindsay. JaSIN was operating from automatic pilot all day on February 02, 2008. He was not able to think straight that day or many other days since he found out Lily Munster wanted to murder Lindsay. JZ knew it was wrong and evil but no doubt JZ or any of the other conspirators would have had the guts to challenge Lily on anything. Lily simply overlooked the detail of Herman immediately running upstairs and what it would mean. The stress hormone cortisol in JZ’s blood stream would have been pumping at a very high level so he just had to follow Mummy’s plan without any thought. The conspirators made a huge misstep and they know they screwed up too. Just think of all the planning and reviewing and remembering that SZ, RZ ( Eddy Munster) JZ, JDeSousa, Paul Bunion, Terry Shein, the couple, the person pretending to be Lindsay out front at 5:30 had to do. They simply overlooked the blatant act of Herman running upstairs immediately. This is ONE of the many reasons that these people could have been arrested a long time ago. They have SO MUCH circumstantial evidence to prove premeditation that you can’t help but wonder who all is involved in this cover up. Crown council should be screaming at the SPD to make arrests. JaSIN running upstairs is just one of the obvious reasons Lindsay’s vicious murder does not need to be stagnated like it is. I just don’t know what we do next to wake up Premier John Horgan, Minister of Public Safety Mike Farnworth or Attorney General David Eby. It’s so hard to believe that of all the official people and others cops who know what is going on that we can’t get a few to stand up for Lindsay and the JUSTICE she and her family so deserve. It’s just so disturbing.

    • see closely says:

      You got it all wrong Robin.There is very good likelyhood that-in actuality- crown counsel disapproved SPD’s report and refused charges against the probable perpetrator/s of Lindsay’s murder.I pursued this line of action as a freedom of information but did not get ahead as both Crown Counsel office and SPD refused me information whether this actually happened.That is both “Pro or Against.”

      • Jeff Buziak, father says:

        see closely, this is the last time you will be allowed to try and mislead everyone with your false twist of information .I personally spoke to a senior representative of the crown prosecutors office of B.C. and was sternly informed nothing had ever been submitted to crown council from Saanich police so please stop your speculative nonsense on this topic. You received no information from them because there isn’t any. Saanich police are too busy fiddling with Lindsay’s non-investigation and are nowhere.

      • Robin says:

        Hi Cclosley
        But there is so much evidence here that points to Zailo’s, how could Crown Counsel not see that. What is the point of FOI if we can never see what they see or don’t see, they could lie to the people whenever they wanted to. If they refused SPD’s information how do we ever know if they are doing a proper job or covering up for criminals? Can people question Crown council or even pay them a friendly visit to ask questions?

      • Wyatt says:

        See closely is clearly cross eyed! Cross eyed and delirious to the blatant, obvious facts of this killing. Ya can’t fix stupid…….. need I state more?

      • ConnectTheDots says:

        The SPD have not said anything about all of the suspicious behavior surrounding the Zailos because they CLEARED THEM prematurely and apparently without cause. Given the circumstantial evidence and the strange behavior of the Zailos, their positioning and their lies ( Cohen can you please, please, please go for dinner with me as I’m starving but first we have to drop off some papers to Lindsay, no mention to him of Lindsay’s concern and the real reason he was supposed to be there) it is pretty obvious what happened that day. I could go on and on about all of the strange behavior and “coincidences”.

    • ConnectTheDots says:

      That’s right Robin. SZ did not think of everything. You just can’t. Like, “Jason, when you are at Cohens don’t look right up into the security camera.” That is not something people would normally do. Unless, of course, you are wanting the security camera to be your alibi. In that case, it would be tempting to look right into the camera so that there is no confusion as to who is there. I think the couple could well have been Ryan and one of the Lum sisters or Shirley wearing the Lum sisters blonde wig which looks just like the wig worn. Ryan’s alibi is that he was at one of the Lum sister’s houses, close to the murder house. I think Shirley was the one with the fake sounding Mexican accent.

  36. JB says:

    My question is…. why did he immediately go upstairs? This big house why not check downstairs first. If it was me, I would be looking around downstairs first before heading upstairs. It is as if he KNEW she was upstairs.

    • eight says:

      “When police arrived Jason and CO were waving their arms in the upstairs bedroom window.”

    • Svetlana says:

      He found the door locked and he immediately called the police to say he will break in. That is strange.

      • see closely says:

        Why is it strange?

        • Robin says:

          Because he was acting/following Mummy’s instructions. If he truly cared and didn’t already know what was going on he would have done what any guy would have done if he thought his girlfriend was in danger…. BUST that effin door down. That asshole Herman Munster (JZ) has no acting ability whatsoever. I guess Mummy didn’t have time to send him to acting school. He is just so obvious that any moron can figure out what he was upto.

        • Wyatt says:

          You’re the “strange” one.

        • Justice says:

          It is strange because he had not heard anything from Lindsay’s phone for 1/2 hr. She was with strangers in a deserted street in a vacant house at night. He saw the “clients” leaving through the front door without Lindsay When they saw his headlamps shine in their faces, they abruptly turned and went back into the house. There was no car in the driveway other than Lindsay’s. He knew Lindsay was concerned for her safety (and I don’t want to hear any more bullshit about how he was dropping off papers, not there for a welfare check. He was 1/2 hrs late by the time he went to the door. Why after 30 min did Zailo become concerned after everything I have stated here? I don’t buy his stupid excuses. There are witnesses. Zailo is a liar. Liars usually remain front and center as homicide suspects. All of this is strange. Maybe the SPD is pretending to believe them while waiting for a witness To come forward because they made such a mess out of the crime scene.

        • Justice says:

          It is strange because he had not heard anything from Lindsay’s phone for 1/2 hr. She was with strangers in a deserted street in a vacant house at night. He saw the “clients” leaving through the front door without Lindsay When they saw his headlamps shine in their faces, they abruptly turned and went back into the house. There was no car in the driveway other than Lindsay’s. He knew Lindsay was concerned for her safety (and I don’t want to hear any more bullshit about how he was dropping off papers, not there for a welfare check. He was 1/2 hrs late by the time he went to the door. Why after 30 min did Zailo become concerned after everything I have stated here? I don’t buy his stupid excuses. There are witnesses. Zailo is a liar. Liars usually remain front and center as homicide suspects. All of this is strange. Maybe the SPD is pretending to believe them while waiting for a witness To come forward because they made such a mess out of the crime scene.

  37. Jus cause says:

    Indeed ….. it is that is if it actually happens. I am skeptical I think ag office,police, weak corrupt lazy most ag marry govt workers or teachers dream of pension… I once knew a ag who dressed up as gangsters for Halloween weak I thought instead of emulating how about charging convicting ?! Or do they fear that the well paid lawyers the douches hire are simply better educated better skilled? Easier to give up dream of pension ?? Sad Indeed

  38. eight says:

    Something about the circumstances surrounding the paperwork that Jason Zailo had to deliver to Lindsay at the showing seems irregular and I wonder if it has been discussed on this forum. If so, I apologize; I’m attempting to read the entire history, but it is substantial.

    The site where Jason Zailo apparently picked up the documents is only four minutes from where they had lunch. Why, if the documents were so important and timely, did they not just pop over and pick them up?

    Jason Zailo apparently claimed the reason he didn’t immediately check in personally at the viewing is that he didn’t want to appear as a meddling boyfriend. Yet his phone messages indicate he was overtly attempting to give Lindsay some assurance that he would be there imminently. So he must have known she was expecting him. Why then, did he hide for some considerable time and claim he didn’t approach the house because he thought she would object? Wouldn’t the perfect cover if that was true be to knock on the door and hand over the documents? All business, and no reason for the clients to think otherwise.

    It also seems strange that since the documents were supposed to be a major reason for his attendance and would have provided cover for his purported excuse for not immediately going to the door, that when he finally did go to the door there is no mention of him taking the documents with him. He did however bring along another person. Hardly something one would do if really worried about intruding.

    • Svetlana says:

      When he texted to Lindsay’s phone – just two minutes away… means absolutely garbage! It’s a coverup and a secret code to the killers!

      • Charlie chan says:

        Just curious as to why you think the killers needed a code from Jason?

        • ConnectTheDots says:

          Why wouldn’t they? It keeps their timeline in line. FYI, I am two minutes away from arriving with Cohen so get ready to partially come out the front door so that myself and our witness ( Cohen ) can see that and thereby divert attention away from our real intended escape route. I believe out the back and most likely into their neighbor Terry’s waiting van. I will then continue to play out my role and dilly dally around giving you some time to make a clean get away.

          • Robin says:

            That’s it exactly.

          • Svetlana says:

            Yes, and the killers aren’t allowed to use their real cell phones, Z needs some sort of confirmation that it was done without sounding suspicious. When he moved his car to the side street Torquay, the murderers could probably see below from the bedroom window on that side so it was their next cue. BUT texting 2 minutes away IS SUSPICIOUS. Usually means I am taking my sweet time to get to you and not that serious about being on time.

            • Robin says:

              The planning is just so obvious at every step. Why there haven’t been arrests and convictions by now is to assume we have lame police involved, pathetic prosecutors and many politicians who are as corrupt as it gets. I can’t believe how many assholes are involved in covering Lindsay’s murder up. Many, many wolves in sheep’s clothing. It’s infuriating to watch what goes on. Zero respect for all the criminals including police and politicians. As low as it gets——all of them scraping their asses on the ground constantly, parading around with such authority. Whackos all on the TAKE! It drives me crazy that honest citizens bury their heads in the sand. Sad state of affairs this country is in if you ask me. That Liberal party is the worst, so many should be in the slammer with the Z’s. POS’s

          • Mark Roush says:

            It is not WISE to believe anything from the Mouth’s of the Zailos !!!

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